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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Trump said there was a genocide of Christians in Nigeria then blocked entry to Nigerians. Meanwhile he said he may grant asylum to Jews from Britain?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As with all things IDF related, the devil is in the detail. Why go in and retrieve the final hostage when there's still journalists and children to murder?


    Haaretz:

    • Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed that it "provided the information about the location" of Gvili's body "three weeks ago, and the enemy intended to buy time and delay coordination and searches."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Sure - Christ knows what mayhem someone with terminal cancer might cause…


    Haaretz:

    Israel's government told the High Court that it is standing by its refusal to allow the evacuation of seriously ill patients from the Strip for potentially life-saving medical treatment in West Bank hospitals, as had been customary before October 7. In its response to petitions filed in November, the government said that "the exit of Gaza residents to the West Bank or Israel carries security risks."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems Israel is no longer touting itself the "only democracy in the ME". Looks like it's aligning with other nations who prefer to do their dirty laundry and carry out their war crimes in private:

    Haaretz:

    At a High Court of Justice hearing on a Foreign Press Association in Israel (FPA) petition demanding that journalists be allowed to enter Gaza, an Israeli government representative said that opening the Rafah crossing does not necessarily mean Israel will allow journalists into the Strip, adding that the representative said that "the entry of journalists is not an obligation of the state."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The Israeli government treated the living and dead captives, taken to Gaza, like dirt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Settlers uber alles

    Italy on Monday summoned Israel's ambassador to protest after two Italian policemen were threatened at gunpoint by an Israeli during a field visit in the occupied West Bank, the foreign ministry said.

    The two military policemen were stopped on Sunday by an armed Israeli while they were carrying out a site inspection ahead of a planned visit by EU ambassadors to a village near Ramallah.

    According to a government source, the Israeli, believed to have been a settler, forced the two men to kneel at gunpoint and subjected them to an improvised interrogation.

    The soldiers were travelling in a vehicle with diplomatic licence plates and carrying diplomatic passports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well it's hardly a shock when Israel remains the only country in the world to have a peace agreement with ISIS. It's a Pariah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,627 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://archive.ph/7Gq7H

    No doubt to the Israeli apologists he is a self hating jew or misguided, anything but confront their own hypocrisy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Legal challenge in Scotland to Palestine Action ban was successful.

    Scottish judges have approved plans for a judicial review of the UK government’s ban on the direct action group, Palestine Action.

    The Court of Session in Scotland green-lit a judicial review of the group’s proscription on 17 and 18 March following a procedural hearing on 23 February.

    Former Home Secretary Yvette Cooper passed an order in July banning Palestine Action under terrorism legislation. A separate judicial review challenging the decision is ongoing in England and Wales.

    The campaign group Defend Our Juries (DOJ) said the move could result in the ban's reversal in Scotland, prompting a “constitutional crisis," with the proscription annulled north of the border but in force in the rest of the UK.

    The hearing followed a petition lodged by former British diplomat Craig Murray, which asked the court of session - Scotland's supreme civil court - to declare the ban "ultra vires" -meaning beyond the legal power or authority of the home secretary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Hind Rajab, dead but not forgotten. The war criminals responsible for her death will not be forgotten either.

    Gaza docudrama The Voice of Hind Rajab was nominated for a BAFTA Film award on Tuesday in the 'Film Not In The English Language' category, weeks after being nominated for a Golden Globe award and just after securing an Oscar nomination.

    The emotional film, based on the real-time Israeli targeting and killing of five-year-old Hind Rajab in the Gaza Strip, was nominated alongside Iran's It Was Just An Accident, South Korea's No Other Choice, and Spain's Sirât.

    The film has an all-Palestinian cast starring Saja Kilani, Motaz Malhees, Amer Hlehl, and Clara Khoury and is showing in cinemas globally, including Tunisia, France and the US. 

    The Voice of Hind Rajab, directed by Kaouther Ben Hania, follows the three-hour phone call between Rajab and dispatch callers at the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS), and replays the actual recordings made during the January 2024 call.

    Hind can be heard crying and pleading for help, while surrounded by the bodies of her family members killed earlier by Israel. The film shows the proximity of an Israeli tank nearby, and depicts the difficulties rescue crews faced in reaching her due to ongoing attacks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Now that the final hostage has been recovered, it is such a relief to know that Israel's onslaught across Gaza is now over and humanitarian aid is flooding in.

    Oh, wait.

    Haaretz:

    The Hamas-run Health Ministry said two people were killed and nine were wounded in Israeli strikes across the Strip in the past 24 hours, and that a 12-day-old infant died of hypothermia, marking the 11th child to die from cold in Gaza since the beginning of winter. According to the ministry, 71,662 people have been killed since the start of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Justice delayed is justice denied….

    God forbid the press get access and another film comes out documenting Israeli war crimes (per @wildgreen post on Hind Rajab)


    Israel's High Court of Justice granted the government an additional two months to respond to a 2024 petition filed by the Foreign Press Association in Israel (FPA) seeking access to Gaza, further delaying a decision after more than a year without a ruling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    oh, hang on a minute. Apparently conducting a genocide in Gaza was defending the whole planet.

    Blimey. Well that's me convinced. I take the last 2 years worth of posts back.

    Haaretz:

    • Opening Israel's International Conference on Combating Antisemitism on Monday evening in Jerusalem – which features many leaders from far-right European parties with antisemitic roots – PM Netanyahu said that radical Muslims and "ultra-anti-Western progressives" want to "destroy the West," adding that "what Israel is doing today is not merely defending itself – it's defending you, defending all of it."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They can't help themselves and their lust for blood knows no bounds. Pariah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Herzog, being a fine upstanding citizen, and president, couldn't possibly have known Star was a possible thug? And his security detail mustn't have known either, right?

    strong bang of fish off this alright…


    Haaretz:

    • The Israel Police are questioning two far-right agitators, Mordechai David and Roi Star, on suspicion of assault following a confrontation on Monday outside the home of a left-wing activist who documents settler violence in the West Bank.
    • The activist, Sigal Shukroon, said the two arrived at her home and were asked to leave, after which the encounter escalated into mutual pushing. According to Shukroon, David pulled out a collapsible iron bar and attempted to strike her husband, injuring his hand. David denied the allegations, saying he retreated to avoid violence and was attacked by Shukroon's husband.

    • Hours after the incident, Star – who was documented assaulting left-wing activists in the West Bank earlier on Monday – was seen at President Isaac Herzog's Residence in Jerusalem at an event featuring U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee. Herzog's office said Star was invited by the Jabotinsky Institute and that they were not familiar with his work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And after all the pro Israelis constantly banging on that all Hamas had to do was "release the hostages"…

    Perhaps they will now reconsider their viewpoint in light of evidence of just 24 hours that Israel is in fact an aggressive war mongering state that simply wants to exterminate the Palestinians?

    Won't hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Amos Harel - bang on the money - again.


    "The return of the last hostage's body will accelerate the implementation of the second phase and force Netanyahu's supporters and the government to confront reality and the true meaning of the agreement, from the survival of Hamas (at least for now) to Qatar and Turkey's open involvement in the Gaza Strip.

    This is happening much sooner than the prime minister planned.

    The opening of the Rafah border crossing is just the start of his problems"

    Amos Harel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They'll be queueing up to post as we speak. I'm betting SeanW or Volchita will be first to acknowledge it.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued - don't discuss other posters in this manner

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,611 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's surprising that more people haven't picked up on the fact that Israel is very much in the rogue state and anti-EU and anti-NATO faction alongside US, Russia, Hungary, Belarus etc. Netanyahu is in and out of the White House every few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Another falsehood. I didn't say there was a genocide in South Africa. I said "only a few steps away" which I believe to be accurate.

    BTW the claim is not mine: https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/south-africa

    Post edited by SeanW on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    On the face of it, these two news items appear unrelated.

    Of course, they are.

    The only democracy in the ME? Not a chance.


    Haaretz:

    Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara told Israel's High Court of Justice that the Netanyahu government's order directing all ministries to cease contact with Haaretz is unlawful.

    Responding to petitions filed against the directive, Baharav-Miara wrote that it must be rescinded, adding that even the government's "declarative" decision on the matter raises serious legal concerns.


    At a ceremony for newly licensed lawyers in Jerusalem, Supreme Court President Isaac Amit, whose presidency is not recognized by the Netanyahu government, warned that Israel's judiciary is under an attack far beyond legitimate criticism, asking 

    "if public officials ignore court decisions that go against them, why should an ordinary citizen feel bound by them?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems that all of the protestations to Israel don't have any effect at all.

    I do wonder if that will also be the case when the ICJ issue their judgement and it turns out Israel has committed de facto Genocide? Or will Israel just carry on regardless and stick two fingers up to those who uphold the principles of International Law?

    "Ireland has joined 10 other European countries calling for Israel to halt demolitions of the headquarters belonging to the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) in east Jerusalem by Israeli authorities."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I clicked on your link to "genocide watch" in your earlier post. Their report on SA was pretty damning - they characterise SA as being at stage 6 (of 10 stages) - well, in the early 20's they did.

    I wonder did you read the corresponding genocide watch report on Israel? They characterise Israel as at stage 10 on the genocide scale (the final stage - denial).

    But I think your previous post did allude to Israel actually committing Genocide. Did I read that correctly?

    And I don't believe a State, like SA, can actually take a case against itself in the ICJ. But when they are only 6/10 of the way there, according to Genocide Watch, it also seems to be the key reason why no other State believes SA is committing Genocide and sees no case being taken on by the ICJ.

    In the next two years, possibly less, the ICJ will rule on the Israeli Genocide of Gaza. Genocide Watch apparently believe it's a slam dunk.

    They even reported that Israel's window dressing of building the "humanitarian cities" was a fig leaf of a cover for "concentration camps". Stern stuff indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Has anyone used UpScrolled App?

    The UpScrolled app, launched by Palestinian–Jordanian–Australian developer Issam Hijazi, who lost more than 60 of his relatives in the Gaza genocide, has seen remarkable success. It is ranked ninth among free apps on Apple’s App Store, one place ahead of TikTok, and second in the social networking category as of Monday afternoon.

    The app has reached fifth place in the United States, sixth in Australia, and eighth in the UK App Store rankings.

    UpScrolled supports short videos, video editing, and text posts. It presents itself as a platform without censorship and without biased algorithms. The app saw a sharp rise in downloads over the previous 24 hours, gaining more than 100,000 new users.

    This surge comes amid accusations against social media platforms, led by TikTok, of imposing censorship and suppressing content, particularly material critical of US President Donald Trump. These claims followed the takeover of TikTok’s operations in the United States by figures loyal to Trump and Israel. 

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had previously praised the importance of controlling TikTok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    What is the point of Israel having a Holocaust rememberance day?

    Israel has cleared land in southern Gaza for the construction of a tightly surveilled concentration camp for Palestinians in preparation for their displacement from the strip, Reuters reported on 28 January, citing a retired Israeli general who advises the military.

    Retired reservist Brigadier-General Amir Avivi told the news agency in an interview that the camp would be built in an area of Rafah that has been destroyed by Israeli bombing and the ruins cleared by bulldozers.

    "Avivi said the camp would be used to house Palestinians who wish to leave Gaza and cross into Egypt, as well as those who wish to stay," Reuters wrote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Ah well, Israel still has the US, UAE, Somaliland, Ukraine, and some atolls as friends. All of those neighbouring countries should paint huge signs "Beware of Greater Israel" lest they ever forget what is coming for them.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Saudi Arabia's pivot toward Turkey and Qatar is being viewed as a threat to the expansion of the so-called Abraham Accords, indicating growing unease in Tel Aviv about the emerging regional alliance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    ‘Israeli plans for Rafah ‘camp’ in Gaza slammed as continuation of genocide’

    ‘Big, organised camp’ equipped with facial recognition at Rafah crossing suggests the ceasefire is less about peace and more about cementing Israeli control, analyst says.

    By Mohammad Mansour and News Agencies, 28 Jan 2026
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/28/israel-plans-rafah-sorting-camp-slammed-as-continuation-of-genocide

    ACCORDING TO RETIRED GENERAL AMIR AVIVI, WHO STILL ADVISES THE ISRAELI MILITARY:

    […] "Israel has cleared land in Rafah, an area in the southern Gaza Strip that it had already flattened in more than two years of its genocidal war, to construct an enormous facility to entrench its military control and presence in Gaza for the long term.

    “Speaking to the Reuters news agency on Tuesday, Avivi described the project as a “big, organised camp” capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people, stating it would be equipped with “ID checks, including facial recognition”, to track every Palestinian entering or leaving.
    […]

    GAZA POLITICAL ANALYST WISSAM AFIFA:

    “What they are building is, in reality, a human-sorting mechanism reminiscent of Nazi-era selection points,” Wissam Afifa, a Gaza-based political analyst, told Al Jazeera. “It is a tool for racial filtering and a continuation of the genocide by other means.” [...]. By leveraging facial recognition technology confirmed by Avivi, Israel is creating a high-risk ordeal for returnees, he said. Afifa argued it will force many Palestinians to choose exile over the risk of the “sorting station”, serving Israel’s longstanding goal of depopulating the Strip.

    STARRY: ^^^ The “human-sorting mechanism at selection points” described by Wissam Afifa brought to mind THE DEHUMANISING ID TATOOING of Jews at Auschwitz concentration camp complex.

    Miso (Michael) Vogel’s entire family was gassed at Auschwitz:

    Miso (Michael) Vogel describes arrival at Auschwitz
    “In 1939, Slovak fascists took over Topol'cany, where Miso lived. In 1942, Miso was deported to the Slovak-run Novaky camp and then to Auschwitz. At Auschwitz, he was tattooed with the number 65,316 [on his left forearm], indicating that 65,315 prisoners preceded him in that series of numbering. He was forced to labor in the Buna works and then in the Birkenau "Kanada" detachment, unloading incoming trains. In late 1944, prisoners were transferred to camps in Germany. Miso escaped during a death march from Landsberg and was liberated by US forces.

    Source:

    United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
    VIDEO
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/miso-michael-vogel-describes-arrival-at-auschwitz



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Emma Graham-Harrison, Chief Middle East Correspondent, The Guardian

    ‘West Bank
    How Israel is planning to build an ‘apartheid road’
    Guardian News

    Jan 27, 2026 WEST BANK
    “Israel plans to start work next month on a bypass that will close off the heart of the occupied West Bank to Palestinians and cement the de facto annexation of an area critical for the viability of a future Palestinian state.

    “The road is a key part of the blueprint for a vast illegal new settlement in the E1 area east of Jerusalem, which would fragment the occupied West Bank. The far-right Israeli finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said the plans were intended to ‘bury the idea of a Palestinian state’

    Emma Graham-Harrison said:

    “The Israel Land Authority recently posted a tender for the construction of more than 3,400 illegal homes in the E1 area. That's an area that makes up about 3% of the occupied West Bank. It's located between Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Ramala, which is the administrative capital of the West Bank. and it's a CRITICAL AREA for the development of a future Palestinian state.

    “Building settlements in the E1 area would effectively divide the occupied West Bank into separate northern and southern sections for Palestinians. Occupied East Jerusalem, which Palestinians want as their capital, would be cut off by a ring of Israeli settlements. One key part of the plan is a bypass road that Israel is expected to start building very soon.It's designed to close off the heart of the West Bank to Palestinians.

    ^"The road would be a sealed transit corridor for Palestinian vehicles, providing Israel a pretext to bar them from existing roads in the E1 area where only Israeli vehicles will be allowed. Opponents call this an apartheid road because it forces Palestinians and Israelis into separate transport systems.

    STARRY: ^^^ For example, in apartheid South Africa, there were segregated lifts for whites and blacks. They had segregated public transport, schools, residential areas (designated townships for the black population), parks ...

    ‘Apartheid Era Signs - Racial Segregation in South Africa’

    https://www.thoughtco.com/apartheid-signs-image-gallery-4122664

    Racial Classifications in South Africa
    “The Population Registration Act No. 30 was passed in 1950 and it defined who belonged to a particular race by physical appearance. People had to be identified and registered from birth as belonging to one of four distinct racial groups: White, Coloured, Bantu (Black African) and other. This was considered to be one of the pillars of apartheid. Identity documents were issued to each person and the Identity Number encoded the race to which they were assigned.



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