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The Links Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,582 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    I see Curracloe Links have their Rates up for 2027 when they open. €300 low season and €350 high season. Can't see that working out for them. I get they are going for the American crowd so the higher the green fee the more they will want to play but that works on the West Coast because there's enough courses there for a long trip. Can't see many Yanks coming to Ireland and spending too much time on the East Coast, might get a few playing Curracloe, Druids Glen etc but will be minimal compared to the West Coast. and unless they offer a heavily discounted GUI rate there won't be much local play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Stayed in the hotel over the new year. I wont ever be back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭pointer28


    Haven't been myself but you're the second person I've heard that from.

    Bit cheeky charging 350 for an unrated course, loads of courses for under 50 and you can at least check their ratings and reviews beforehand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭thewobbler


    The odd thing with Curracloe releasing tee times is that the photos on their website - which one would have to assume have been heavily curated - suggests it’s a pretty nondescript farmland course, with hedges and trees removed in favour of pot bunkers.

    Now of the course the routing and conditioning could be otherworldly, which nobody will know until they actually play it. But my first impressions is I'm not sure I’d drive two hours south for it, even on a freebie, let alone for north of €300.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭CSWS101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭plumber77


    Roughly a month before for members and 2 weeks for guests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 808 ✭✭✭mjsc1970


    Can safely say I'm likely to never set foot in the place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I don't think it's a links golf course to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 5offthetee


    where can you see this can’t see anything in either website

    Any idea of handicap ranges

    Want to finally tick ballybunion off list this year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Awful Hotel experience. And there nothing close to it at all.

    Course on hotel ground was on the side of a hill. Across the road a building site so hard to judge it from that.

    Calling it links be a stretch if you ask me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭plumber77


    It will be up on there website under open days in the next couple of weeks. Should be back on the old course this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭pointer28


    Looking at Google maps its hard to see a true links course.

    Pics might be outdated and maybe it is a links after all but I have my doubts.

    I'm a cynical whatsit but there's a lot be be said for an old fashioned members club built for the love of the sport vs a pure tourist trap.

    For comparison, Rosslare is ranked 36 in Ireland and can be booked next Friday for 60 euro and i think it's about 135 high season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    Here’s a link to some 3D renderings of the changes at what will be Brittas Bay Club



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Ronney


    There was a Big golf show in Orlando last week so I'd guess that is why Curacloe and Brittas Bay had shinny new websites up and prices aimed at next summer for tour operators in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,012 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Whilst I'm disappointed with the direction of flow of prices - and the increasing lack of access to these courses for Golf Ireland members. I'm still looking forward to the new projects - definitely most interesting since St Patrick's in Rosapenna. In theory good golf courses in the south east should do well - massive increasing population in south east , but It will be interesting will they pull tourist away form the traditional route. I guess build it and they will come. Can imagine Brittas could play a part in a sort of East coast run of top links / courses.

    But it will be interesting how all this works out.

    Them images show the sleepers gone anyway.

    Whilst I loved the European - and I'm not a fan of change for change sake - I genuinely do believe many aspects of the facilities and course - did need a rethink and refresh. Even the sleepers themselves were noticeably deteriorated the last time I played. I found the course too harsh and difficult to play at times - I also found grass length inconsistent and course condition variable. 18 alone - needed a new hole. Also the first run of 7 holes were simply too difficult as as opening run on a course - and the last 6 have a fairly different style to the front 9.

    Anyway - I'm looking forward to it - If I get out somehow. When I went down and Pat Ruddy was there - he hardly wanted to charge and often gave me a book or something if he seen your enthusiasm for Links Golf.

    Curracloe is another really interesting one - absolutely stunning part of Ireland , but it is not a place that would come to mind - to make you think, it needs a golf course. I'm looking forward to that one. But I'm hoping it is one - that has a sensible rate again for Golf Ireland members. Maybe we will be loaded with golfers from all over the world all the time. But it is hard to see how all these routes and options for tourists are all tying together. I don't think I ever met one American in Wexford - going there 30 years. But - with high end stuff - it is build it and they will come. Some of the Donegal Ideas are absolutely nuts on the face of it - Carne was completely illogical. So maybe to pull these things off - you have to have a vision or blind ambition past the capability of 99.99999 % of people out there.

    It is easy to say - that won't work - who would give them that - who do they think they are - sure that is off the wall. 25 years ago if you went to Enniscrone or Dooks or Carne and said one day this will be swamped with Americans - and will be a global dream destination for all the golf writers and influential "you tubers" (who did not even exist) . You'd be told to go up the road have a good seaweed bath - a fish and chips - then about 6 pints and calm down you lunatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 5offthetee


    anyone know when that open week for royal County Down opens for booking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭benny79


    When is Curracloe opening? Does new courses also need time to bed in etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Curracloe is not a links, right? More a heathland feel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    I think we need some kind of definition and standard for calling a course a links.

    If some course that's nowhere near the sea can use the term links, then the whole term is devalued. This is a problem for the true links courses and Irish golf tourism in general.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think we know what a links is but nothing stopping a course calling itself links unfortunately e.g. Old Head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,012 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Someone said 2027 ....but yes all courses need maturity..as in a few years ...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    They usually lay greens first so they have some bedding in time, if true links then they bed in quite quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,012 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Any Links course changes I've seen made have taken at least 2 summer seasons - at least. Depends on location - weather - grass type.

    But if you look at likes of Rosapenna St Patrick's - I still felt it was unstable and in poor conditions 3 or 4 years into it.

    I don't think Links courses ever settle in as quickly as people hope. Budget - staff and materials are all key variables. I'd actually go slightly against what you said - and I find Links courses are actually harder to mature and be solid. Normal grass grows way faster.

    If any of the courses mentioned above are in perfect condition by 2029 I'd be amazed.

    Look how long Portmarnock Links has taken to come right and is it truly there yet ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭plumber77


    If you mean through Mourne golf..when it was on in May it opened early April. Its ob in July this year so June more than likely. It says on their website to keep checking in for more details.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭Gandalph


    I think it's easy enough to differentiate even by just looking at a few pictures but yeah, there are plenty of courses built on a bog that claim 'Links Style' because they've got a little bit of fescue sprinkled around the place. What drives me mad is the use of the term 'Championship Course'…I don't even know what that even means these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭fungie


    Strange to have it the week of the open or even just in peak summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭plumber77


    It is alright..great opportunity to play it in peak condition. Sometimes May was early for really good conditions depending on the Winter leading in to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    Curracloe will be an interesting course. Top to bottom there is over 50m in elevation change.

    The site although not on the actual sea (not far though) is sand capped, so it will play very like a links.

    What will set this apart will be some of the bunkering, there really is nothing like it in Ireland.

    I’ll see if I’m allowed to post some images.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭5989


    Hopefully what sets it apart is the routing.

    What is the bunker style?



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