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Who are buying all the new houses?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    We needed an extra 35k for the house we wanted to bid on than the max we were approved for already. Broker applied for the exemption for us and it was approved. We got outbid on that house, but still had the exemption and ended up buying (going sale agreed. it was another 6 months before we completed) a house for 42k more (mad numbers, but after a year the value of the house had gone up by more than so it didnt sting as much then) than our original approval 3 months later. The broker got the bank to take the money we had saved into pensions into account. And also we had saved a few thousand more since we were first approved.

    We had to send in details of the property we were bidding on plus AVC records to the broker for them to apply for the exemption. Though I dont know why we had to show the property we wanted to bid on to get approved for the exemption, because we didnt end up getting that property anyway but still got the exemption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    You always have to show the specific property. The value of the property has to assesed more carefully as the bank is taking on more risk. They just want to know the house is worth that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You got ridiculous already stating that a couple earning 90k gross would only be offered 245k or do you deny that you said that?

    Myself and my partner last year on this very wage borrowed 360k from Haven, 4X our salary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Daughter got an exemption to 4.5 times salary last autumn.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Did you apply for an exemption? You dont get offered an exemption. You have to request it. You have actually fill out the exemption request forms.

    They base the exemption on your outgoings and savings history, number of children, credit cards, car loans, how long you've been in your job, the amount of your income that comes from bonuses and overtime, even down to what you've been spending on, like do you spend your money on holidays or gambling or sports etc. They wanted 6 month statements from us when we applied for the mortgage first, but 12 months when we applied for the exemption. Not sure of all the criteria because the broker did the heavy lifting for us and we just sent them anything they asked for and they filled out the forms and sent the docs in for us. A big thing he told us that was in our favour was that we had a record of AVCs going back years and years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No we didn't, we didn't need one. We were offered 360k. We took a mortgage at 4X our salary.

    I'm just correcting the other poster's nonsensical claim that a couple on 90k gross would only be offered 245k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.thejournal.ie/renting-ireland-and-north-6938763-Jan2026/?utm_source=thejournal&utm_content=top-stories

    Definitely due to the relatively higher avocado consumption rates in the Republic…no it couldn’t possibly be that the property market in the Republic is totally dysfunctional, definitely not

    People just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps - the “Housing crisis” is a myth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The North is a bad example its a non mainland province of the UK. It economy is still only developing after the troubles. Its average wage is 20% lower than the Republic. Its capital has a population on 345k that is less than Cork city

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    And in spite of it all it’s still easier for them to get houses.

    We’ve already been told in this thread that our mad rates of population growth are not having an impact on housing - it’s because younger people today are over educated but are also too stupid to understand budgeting for some reason, don’t you know?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I remember a friend of mine was able to afford to buy a house in Belfast, on his own, next to zero income but because the banks were more competitive and the govt took a 50% stake in the house he was able to buy. It worked out cheaper than renting and he even made a few quid renting the other bedroom out

    You don't get supports like that in the republic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Lower average wages means lower wages in construction. They have away less building regulations and there actually physical building recgulations are substantially lower. The cost of housinging in NI as part of the UK is like comparing Leitrim to Dublin

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    What exactly is your agenda here. Everytime I look in your rabbiting on about avocados or sine other nonsense for some reason.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Just a little pop at the ignorant self-serving bias that is so frequently on display on this thread

    You have the older homeowners who fancy they achieved this status purely by virtue of their hard work and graft, frugal living and cleverness.

    Then you have the (supposedly) feckless youth, who are so entitled, they are too stupid to know how to budget and make sacrifices (they’d never go without their avocado toast), they aren’t willing to show up and put in the hard yards.

    The above is, of course, utter bollocks.

    No acknowledgment from these homeowners of how much smaller the ratio of house prices to annual real income was then. How easy it was to access credit. How little competition there was (for jobs and housing) - competing against people in your town, maybe from a couple counties over as opposed to the entire world (and at a time when the primacy of the west was at its utmost, the former Soviet Union, China, India and the global south were economic backwaters).
    I know it wasn’t all roses, unemployment was high at times, but the simple fact is, an average person could afford a decent house and a couple of kids on a single income and the wife at home at a reasonable standard of living. More or less impossible today.

    Basically it’s pig ignorant to try and pretend that it’s no more difficult to buy a house today than it was 30 years ago. Like I said, utter self serving delusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I agree with a lot of what you say but can't really compare the North to down here. Even some fairly basic houses in not great areas have £1500 a year property tax. That all adds up! And keeps a lid on property selling prices.

    I'm in favour of increasing our LPT down here to keep a lid on property prices. I'd rather get ripped off via LPT than paying mortgage interest for 35 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    Sounds like your making massive assumptions and generalisations to me in order to forward your own agenda or point of view. Painting caricatures of old/young people to exaggerate a situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Home ownership has collapsed for under 40s, record numbers of adults living at home with parents, record homeless. Immigration running at 10 times the European average.

    If u can't join the dots at this stage, u can't be helped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    People are leaving school, college later. Starting work later, getting married later. That's the trend. More of my tenants bought a brand new house the other day. 3.5 years renting off me. Fair play to them. If you listened to generation rent you swear nobody was buying. Neighbours of mine here building away one off houses and getting on with their lives. It was never easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Most of Europe,the US,Canada,NZ, Australia all have a housing crisis. Dunno if you can attribute immigration to all of these countries.

    In our case it's the thriving economy that brings badly needed workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    As are the people who are claiming that people these days can’t buy houses because of Netflix and brunches, but you’re not calling them out?

    You’re a landlord yourself, so is it possible that you have a bias also?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    No. Just a small accidental landlord with a long held interest in property and the market.

    Just get on with life is what I say. It goes by fast and there's no point in blaming others, just find a way.

    Raving on here about avocados, Netflix, landlords isn't going to help anyone's cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    What’s my “agenda”? That the housing crisis is real? Hardly mad stuff

    These generalisations are well worn tropes with plenty of examples thereof within this thread

    Do you think it’s more difficult to buy a house than it was 30 years ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No one is raving, it's a discussion and the calling out of a nonsense trope that people spout consistently without looking at the over arching reasons behind the housing crisis.

    Generalising the entire younger generation as being lazy, unable to budget and spending money on coffees achieves nothing either.

    It's all well and good saying "just get on with it" when you've a house and a second property that you're renting out instead of being in your 30's living in your parent's box room. Very much an I'm alright Jack mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm suffering from tje situation too. My property is stuck in a RPZ. Getting 1300 per month when it is worth double. My tenants love me but you won't hear any of that from generation rent.

    I bought my first house at the height of the boom. Houses are cheaper now in real terms.

    My house value crashed to half, when people were handing back keys I worked harder and harder to hold on to it with 3 young children being born at the same time. There was austerity budgets every 6 to 12 months. Nobody helped me on the slippery slope down but now on the upside I'm demonised and not allowed to profit. I put 5 to 10k into my rental every year to keep a roof over my tenants head. No wonder people are leaving the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Your house value only matters if you plan on selling it, which you weren't so that's irrelevant. How exactly do you put 5-10k a year into your rental? Do not say that it's because you're not making more money in rent as this isn't an actual expense to you.

    That is not what we're discussing at all though. You're complaining about not making enough money with 2 properties is hardly going to garner any sympathy no matter what way you want to spin it. Especially when you downplay the situation and your advice to younger generations stuck living with their parents in their 30's is "just get on with life, just find a way".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    And yet housing is the number 1 political issue amongst the populace of the country and there’s lots of media coverage of the housing crisis every week.

    I suppose everyone else is wrong and you’re right.
    You say you bought your house at the height of the boom - mortgages could be got on the back of crisp packets back then.
    In today’s market you’d find it far more difficult to purchase that same house.

    Throughout the thread you’ve demonstrated total contempt for the upcoming generation and conform to the stereotype of the totally out of touch homeowner I outlined in the comment yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    Well, You have all the talking points of generation rent. Whatever use that will be to you. You don't have a clue what it was like to get a mortgage in 2006. I got a mortgage 2 years ago and it was the very same as the one I got in 2006. Talk is cheap but reality bites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    what a load of BS. In 2006 I was getting letters from my bank telling me I was pre-approved for mortgages I didn't even ask for!

    Contrast that with a few years ago when it took weeks of back and forth and requests for more documentation to get AIP on a mortgage. It is night and day compared to the tiger years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭straight


    I can tell you that your house price matters alot when you are trying to pay it through the worst recession this state has ever seen. Unlike now, there was no handouts back then. More money being taken from us at every turn and job losses galore. How do you know I didn't want to sell the house. You know nothing only your own simple talking points. The amount of relationship breakups, suicides, etc back then were through the roof due to the pressure of trying to pay massive mortgages.

    I didn't think I'd have to spell out a landlords costs in this day and age but here it goes.

    New boiler, appliances, painting, plumber, electrician, income tax. Not all costs are tax deductible. Also on top of all the costs you have the mortgage. Interest rates went away up on trackers a couple of years ago and my rents were frozen. I had to take the brunt and I continue to take the brunt. Basically, I am just doing my tenants a favour by not selling the house now.

    Not looking for sympathy. Just trying to help lads with a narrow vision and trying to show them a more rounded point of view which I have gained through experience.

    I can see I'm clearly wasting my time. It's like trying to talk to boys barrett, a vegan or some other idealogue.

    Houses were for a song in 2015. That's only 10 years ago. The geniuses living with their parents in their 30s should have bought back then if they are so smart.



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