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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Over on the "green policies" thread a year or more ago, I was arguing till I got blue in the nuts over cleaning rivers. The other contributor was having none of it. Their argument was the rivers being blocked meant farmland would flood and the waters wouldn't flow to towns and villages as fast. But they had no answer for the situation like now where the water is coming to the town and has no where to go. My argument, and by jaysus I still stand by it, is clean the bloody rivers so they can carry their true volume of water and get more to the sea faster. The Nore by me has a notch over 1m of silt/dirt in the bottom of it. And it's easily verifiable because there's a measure on the bridge. By my calculations, assuming an average width of 6m, over the 140km length of the river, cleaning 1m of silt would allow the river carry an additional 840 million litres of water. Now the river flows at around 3 or 4mph, which would mean, when cleaned, an additional 40 odd thousand litres of water going to the sea EVERY SECOND. This of course rises in floods when the water moves quicker.

    /rant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    And it will go on unless some people fix it themselves.

    I'm sure there is some wealthy families in that town, like an healy rae outfit that would get the diggers out and dredge it. 30 years whingeing is a dose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,061 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A local sand quarry used to be every few years digging the sand and sediment between the two bridges. They were stopped as some rare plant found on the gravel bed.

    Wexford has the EPA headquarters. Every little thing and people are straight on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    That's that the type of construction group I invisaged. They need support from protests or such to get them back digging out the sand, and anyone who says wishful thinking are just as bad as the 30 year conversation of talking about it.

    Us neighbours here would've fixed similar problems here in the past before wasting time on councils.

    We had Smaller simpler problems than dredging a town river but same mindset.

    When the men that cleaned the rivers in the 60s and 70s died out obviously the back bone of others went with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Is there no people living near this spot to stand up and do something. I'm sure in the local town that's flooded theres old people and widows and such in there 80s and 90s scared shitless of water coming in there door, and too old to clean it up.

    We've tidied neighbours low spots here and diverted water, not that its a common problem around here tho

    But obviously nothing is thought of ones neighbours in these towns your referring to as nothing has been done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Dredging actually makes flooding worse in many situations via speeding up erosion and the force of the water - and Ennicorthy is one of those sitations as the river is squeezed between 2 natural rocky bluffs at the location below the Castle, so no amount of dredging would make much difference there anyways. Just below the bridge there its also tidal and weeks of heavy rain plus tidal surge up the river is what did the damage. As for silt in rivers, alot of it comes from draining of wetlands, especcially peatlands eg. Vast amounts of peat silt continue to entire the River Shannon due to BNM ongoing pumping of water out from cutover bogs that if left to recover would naturally trap all that silt via the regrowth of wetland vegetation like sphagnum moss, reed beds etc. They are similar issues in catchments all over the country due to ongoing loss of natural buffers and soakage via spruce forestry, intensive farming, peat extraction, wind farm construction, overgrazing of uplands etc.

    PS: this not just an Irish issue - the destruction of rainforest and wetlands in Indonesia was a key factor in devasting floods that killed nearly 1000 people just before Christmas

    https://news.mongabay.com/2025/12/indonesia-closes-2025-with-rising-disasters-and-stalled-environmental-reform/#:~:text=Researchers%20and%20activists%20have%20long,forest%20between%202014%20and%202024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Dredging is worse in many situations?

    So not all situations then, that's good, so the ones it works on should be dredged ASAP tbf

    I get my fields drains dredged around my farm fairly regular and I dredge an odd man hole and drain pipe hole, that dredging definitely works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    No not all situations - if river is blocked by man-made debris like plastics(silage wrap etc.), logging waste, old fencing, silting from quarrying etc. As i said alot of the silt issues in rivers are acutully caused by deeping or new drains on certain types of farmland. I observed something similar this last week in another part of Mayo were vast amounts of black silty water was escaping into a river feeding Lough Carra from new drains dug in nearby farmland. Clearcutting of spruce forestry on peaty soils is an even bigger issues in this space on upland catchments in particular - and that would an issue on the upper Slaney in South Wicklow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    The same with the peat from bord na mona coming into the Shannon. Then the public servants gave planning permission for a huge development in a flood plain so the farmers downstream are losing more land than ever to winter flooding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Yep - theres a group battling BNM out in Derryadd Longford over that and they have produced drone footage showing the scale of flooding of farmland due to the companies constant pumping of peat laden water from the site towards the Shannon.😔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭White Clover


    I believe the opw are due to start dredging and clearing the banks of some rivers in South Limerick very soon. If we have any posters from that area, they might let us know what actually gets done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭Grueller


    There are also engineers reports that states the "new" bridge is a large part of the problem, and a plan in place to replace this "new" bridge in Enniscorthy as it is blocking flow of the river, causing a back up of silt between the bridges.

    Guess where the river flooded worst? Between the bridges.

    That river needs dredging all the way out to Wexford harbour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Ah it's a disaster for those affected.

    But is it all the mussels fault? There's always factors to be dealt with when designing and planning these things, I'm sure they could have come up with some mitigation measures if the will was there. Thirty years is a long time to be thinking and doing nothing.

    There could be other changes have that exacerbated the situation in the meantime also.

    Moo Moo Teamoo, all of my dreams come true…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,764 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Land drainage has an effect on flooding too. The better drainage on land surrounding rivers the faster water gets into the rivers, more than was intended as the rivers developed. Unpopular yet it’s a fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,993 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    In fairness though, how often do we get the amount of rain we got yesterday on top ofwhat has already fallen. No amount of planning can plan for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    1960 population of ireland 2.83 million. The current population is 5.33 million and rising. Maybe housing, concrete/tarmac has a greater impact for flooding than trying to improve the land. But its easier to wring your hands and blame the farmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭lmk123


    I made that point in the dairy tread last night. On top of that there’s factories discharging (look up Tom Ryan and the Raheen Industrial estate in limerick). Our wastewater treatment plants are completely f*cked because there hasn’t been any investment in them for decades while the population has exploded at the same time, all discharging into rivers / the sea. Look at the cancer / death rates in the areas around Aughinish in Limerick (a disaster waiting to happen), they’re operating on the banks of the Shannon and it’s all good yet I’d be the worst in the world if a fu*king calf drank from the river on my land. The reality is the Government etc. couldn’t give a sh*t about it, it’s just easy for them and the fools they have brainwashed to blame farmers for everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Certain things like woodland, mountain flora (moss, ferns etc) all help soak up rainfall and realise it slowly. It's like a huge sponge. We've a small river going through our land and I have never seen it dry up. Not once, even in the driest August. It's coming down from the local hills and mountains. There isn't even sheep on the mountain tops.

    Johnstown Castle, Wexford (Met.ie) recorded 29.2mm of rain on the 24th, 3.6mm on 25th and 25.2mm again on the 26th. That's crazy rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Jb1989




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    the problem with dredging rivers is it moves water down stream faster until it hits a choke point and those choke point are always at towns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    But the rivers and lakes should have capacity to hold more water before movement taken into account , their choked up with silt, branches and rubbish. As already said here open the harbour and sea points and work back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    I worked in Canada as an engineer almost 20 years ago. I designed drainage systems and stormwater management ponds for 6 years while there. In any development over there with the past 40/50 years the rainfall runoff of the developed site cannot exceed the runoff of the original greenfield surface. 100 year storm data is used to calculate how much volume you need to hold in a pond that has a constant rate outlet. All developments have stormwater management ponds over there. You rarely see them here except a few small token ones for motorway runoff. You can't replace green fields that have a runoff of ~20% with roofs and tarmac that have a runoff of 100% and expect there not to be issues down the line somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,764 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    100%. Even allowing folks to remove their gardens and pave over them has a significant impact on flooding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    I actually never heard of Aughinish island until a few weeks ago. Theres a good youtube video about it. Crazy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Landed home from the office early and the F8ckers in the hunt were in….I'd love to take a few sucklers to their back yard and see how much they like it. Such an inbred shower of idiots….again with the usual "I've hunted here for 60 years…." well F me you never asked for my permission. At least there were no horses, but the pack went past a shed full with cattle and they are doing their nut driving the cattle mad in the pens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,993 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Assholes, every one of them. No manners, they've never asked me permission here either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭lmk123


    I’ve seen it, it’s unbelievable. It’s mad the way they just average the test results just to hide the bad area, goes to show what you can do make the numbers say what suits, paper never refused ink. If any of the bunds burst / leak or that area giving sky high results gets worse there will be a disaster the likes of which this country (and many others) has never seen. The Russians will pull out of town and the council are the state agency with the responsibility of cleaning it up.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Get the name of the hunt (BallyWherever Harriers, BallyWherever Foxhounds, etc.) and report them to the Guards as trespassers.

    If they want to ape the Victorians, that's their own business - as long as they do it on their farms. And not where they've no permission to go in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    Frightening stuff. Mental that the water treatment plant is less than 100m from a toxic dump.



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