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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,909 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So if ICE violently attacked an unarmed and defenceless woman a few feet away from you, you would just ignore it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,343 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Standing tall is a health hazard now when you meet a gang of masked, camo-clothed, tooled-up Federal Public Service employees funded from your taxes on the streets of U.S cities. You don't even have to go to them, they deliver their service to your street and door. Its ironical that Megyn Kelly advised U.S citizens: stay at home, don't go out, mind your own business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,909 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And Alex Pretti's last words were 'Are you ok?' to the unarmed peacefull woman that the ICE thugs had just slammed to the floor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,909 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The people who opposed the lockdowns when there was a global pandemic, are now in favour of lockdowns because the Trump administration are terrorising the ordinary people just trying to live their lives in peace

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,817 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Could always thank them for their bravery I guess?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Some right wing reporters are justifying the murder by stating Pretti did not have a gun permit or ID with him. Indeed Minnesota Statute 624.714 Sub D.1b. does state that these are required. Failure to do is a "petty midemeanor" and is subject to a fine of $25. If the person can subsequently show a valid ID and permit before a court, the citation must be struck down.

    I didn't see anyone searching for his ID or permit anyway.

    Imagine in the worst case scenario being executed for a minor dismemeanor and for trying to assist someone that had been pushed agressively



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,539 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They're looking for anything, anything at all, to try and justify murder.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Ignore, no. Intervene, also no.

    For two reasons.

    1. I'm not stupid. If I intervened, I would just end up joining her on the ground for no benefit, probably in additional pain. Maybe you are a master in unarmed combat, I am not.
    2. The correct remedy in such a situation, indeed to any crossing of the law by the police, is the court system, and if it's not unlawful, the policy thereof is addressed through the political system. We are currently discussing events because bystanders who did not get actively involved instead used their cameras to record the incidents, some of whom were within a few yards. Agents left them alone because they had no grounds to detain them or their cameras. There are, what, four different videos quickly released of each of the two recent shootings? Would that have been the case had the four people decided to intervene?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    What is of interest also in the whole episode there were only two ‘protesters’ /almost by standards involved. There was initially no shouting. Just two civilians standing around with one of them recording what was going on.Started off by ICE Thugs pushing Caleb off the road and towards the Kerbside. There was no routing going on . So all the Thugs were presented with a ‘green field’ situation. Their attention was fully focused on Alex and the woman and they were not distracted in any way. It might have been very different if there was a lot of rioting, smoke present , protesters running all over the place , dusk falling , etc, etc. the Thugs might lose control and ‘ flail’ their wares in every direction if they felt very threatened / losing control. BUT THE COMPLETE. OPPOSITE TO THIS WAS THE CASE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭somenergy


    Funny that no1 mentioned he was aiding a woman b4 his beating/murder or was it an ice decoy because she seems to have disappeared

    It was a horrific couple of minutes of someones life needlessly being terminated unlike that 2024 july gunman will never b forgiven 4 that miss, grim reapers bank holiday.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    You can't really blame them though. They've had successive governments come in and screw them over. Doesn't matter if they are Republican or democrat, the rich got richer and people got poorer. The Democrats also seem completely ineffective, they can't rally around any cause because they'll have enough defectors in the ranks to disrupt it. Because both sides represent the right wing.

    Trump was something different. Different from the status quo. When you get desperate you'll try anything. And when you are uneducated you are more susceptible to propaganda, especially if you are poor. You want simple easy solutions and brown people were put forward by the fascists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,959 ✭✭✭Patser


    Seen that, and already its turning into their next PR clusterfeck.

    As @o1s1n mentioned it again makes them look like administration's private army.

    It also undermines the Secret Service

    Looks like the Admin rewarding their guys with trip to Italy and tickets to games.

    Confuses exactly what their role and credentials are, what are a Customs force doing in a foreign country, and what rules do they have.

    Already the Administration trying to downplay and dismiss concerns because they are struggling to explain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,705 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's a blessing the agents/ICE/the admin. did not manage to stop that footage emerging.

    Too many people with camera phones, probably a lot of it going up to online accounts and they'd have to arrest multiple people, harass and perhaps torture them to get them to delete it from their devices + online (takes time) also maybe have the friendly tech-bro pro Trump CEOs do them a solid and wipe it etc. (even more time…). So just far too much to do to clean up.

    The likes of the CCPs MSS could handle the info. smothering operation in China, or the FSB in Russia probably, but not these new-to-the-authoritarian-game people in the US, and not just yet!

    edit: actually kind of hate that I have started thinking so conspiratorially and suspiciously about the current US government, but those seem to be the times we are living in right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Am unsure as Trump's latest appeal is to the SC and if they favour him whether or not this precludes Carroll to appeal further.

    Funds $83m+ are held in a bond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    My sister was home for Christmas. Lives in New York. She said there is nothing compared to what people think there is going on there. Any given day you wouldnt hear about Trump at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Which is the problem . They should be hearing about him daily and his carry on in the name of Americans . The world sees him for what he is because we are informed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,539 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They might have had a bit of an excuse in 2016. But not the second time round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,316 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Discussion about them going to Milan presupposes that Milan has any intention of letting them in. The mayor didn't sound very impressed about the idea of foreign, somehow active, expecting-to-be-armed thugs into his city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,316 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Right enough, I haven't heard about anything going on in New York recently, either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I was on a US call yesterday and the big discussion was ice, as in frozen water and exploding trees that sounded like a war zone...so ice, sound of gunshots and a war zone and it was all weather related



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,536 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Did you talk to her during the Mamdani election? I imagine you'd have heard about Trump then.

    My brother lives in NY (we're both from NY.) Plenty is discussed all the time about Trump. Might depend on what crowds you hang with - remember the Murdoch-owned NY Post has some Trump sh1te in it every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,917 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Todd Lyons could find himself in jail. Judges are getting really pissed off at their orders are being ignored;

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/27/ice-director-judge-minnesota



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    I know. You get the news served to you now. For instance I have a brother who is obsessed with climate change, and all he ever gets served to him is stories about climate change. I have a friend obsessed with Trump and he just gets served stories all day every day about Trump. One day I was in his house and I kept searching "All the good things Biden and the Democrats did over the years". That kind of stuff appeared on his feed for a few days but it wasnt long getting back to his normal algorithm normal after he thumbs downed and blocked the channels. You get fed what triggers you and then you get fed more and more of it until you get nothing else. Its really sad actually.

    Most people are normal but when they get a bee in their bonnet about something, that bee gets fed til it explodes. And if you talk to your friends with the same opinions as yourself you get into a news triggering bubble with those friends and think that what you are being served is actually what the world is like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    BBC reports ICE will be sent to the Winter Olympics in Italy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,192 ✭✭✭eire4


    Thats because most fundamentally when it comes to income inequality the democrats do not make things better in any significant way they just put the breaks on throw a few crumbs which doesn't change the picture economically fundamentally and so they get voted out and everything gets worse again but from a lower position then the last time once the Republicans return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,909 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The courts aren't functioning. Do you seriously think that any of these federal agents will ever be held accountable for what they did under the Trump administration?

    The first of two woman who were assaulted was simply observing and recording the federal officers. The officers approached her and pushed her, she was standing next to Alex Pretti, the federal officers pushed another woman to the ground and then immediately started to assault Pretti with some kind of spray before they began brutally beating him.

    They were not held accountable for murdering a man in cold blood, they absolutely are not being held accountable to assaulting protesters or bystanders. We're all talking about Alex Pretti's murder, but there are an unknown number of others who are being brutally assaulted by federal officials, none of them are identifiable, none of them are being held accountable in the courts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,817 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Cal Thomas doing a comedy act on The Last Word tryna whatabout Pretti away defending ICE.

    He does seem to have these random senior bouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    who was that woman and has she come forward, I at least hope that she went to her solicitor to have recorded every detail of her experience and what she saw and HEARD



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,343 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious




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