Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

You find what ironic exactly? You didn't listen to the representative from the NRA on CNN last night where he said the FBI/DHS/ICE/Attorney General's position that it was illegal to bring a gun to a protest was wrong? - That their position was wrong.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/26/politics/second-amendment-minneapolis-trump-pretti-shooting-nra

That country really is something else, eh? Bizarre times we're living in.

Noticeable that Trump and Leavitt are very quickly backtracking. Alex Pretti was clearly an upstanding citizen and American patriot : any attempt to spin him as a 'domestic terrorist' was always doomed to failure.

Parts of states. You'll never be able to prove that America is 3rd world and as shown by the stats it remains a hugely popular destination for Irish who are first worlders.

It may have a first world economy but if you look at any of the metrics that matter, healthcare education, literacy, child mortality, jail population, national debt, infrastructure, etc. the county is falls far short of most first world countries.

Yep, its a disaster for them.

As I said from the start, **** ups happen. 1 rogue untrained guy let's loose. Its a tragedy.

You'd normally expect authorities to try defuse the situation. 'We're investigating! Officer on leave. Please help us gather info, and we appeal for calm'.

Trumps admins approach, escalate!! Double down. He's a terrorist, out to kill! Armed at a riot! Our officer is the victim! He's been fired up by the radical Governor of that state. Its Insurrection, almost Civil War!!! How much further can we push this envelope.

Meanwhile everyone can see the videos, multiple angles, slowed down, enhanced etc. It's fairly clear he wasn't a radical terrorist out on a murder spree.

But there can be no retreat from Trump's team. They've already laid out their case. They've tried desperately to raise suspicions about Pretti, but he was such a good normal guy it falls flat.

No suddenly its Well of course we're investigating? Please give us time to gather info. The Governor is actually a nice guy. Can we just brush this under the carpet while we assess.

The fecking heads of the DHS, the FBI, DoJ and whatever the feck Miller is, were all happy to rush to conclusions, and try destroy Pretti's character and now suddenly its time for calm, and space and leave us alone to slink away

One thing that is evidenced and that is that Bovino and Noem tried to give a false narrative to the U.S. on what happened. Why they did so, apart from being simply thick, is not known yet but the result so far is that a lot of people took up what they said and believed it to be gospel according to the varied F/B posts backing their stated explanation about the shooting and how the victim was to blame for his death. The same blame will attach to Miller in the White House.

One thing Bovino and Noem did was foul up any proper investigation into the shooting from the start and it is not unreasonable to suspect that that was the reason they went on the attack from the start so as to divert blame from the DHS and the agencies the DHS put on the ground in Minneapolis. That interference may well turnout to be a criminal offence, even higher on the chart of offences federally and state than standing on a street using a whistle and a camera to record the actions of the DHS agents. Its no wonder that Bovino is being got out of town fast. The powers that be don't want him within hands reach of any police investigation team appointed to find out and determine who is culpable for the shooting of Alex.

Overall tourism numbers declined in both the US and Ireland last year by about 6%. After we both rapidly turning into 3rd world countries. You know full well America as a nation is first world and it has been since Europeans first setup shop there.

They got away with all this with Renee Good but it was never going to wash a second time. Alex was an ICU nurse at a veterans' hospital, posed zero threat to the ICE agents on Saturday morning and yet was shot 10 times in the back. No amount of spin or gaslighting was going to make this look like a justifiable killing.

The depressing thing is Bovino will be moved on to act the maggot elsewhere. He should be put on leave.

You really don't have it in you to criticize America at all, do you?

And from now on, you won't engage because I dared criticize America by calling it "the nicest third world country" in the world.

At least in Ireland, you won't be shot dead by ICE, or held up at gunpoint, and if you were, we have a good healthcare system to cover us.

You'd think the bragging about sexual assault, the siding with white nationalists, the belittling of veterans, the making fun of handicapped people, the catastrophic mishandling of a pandemic, the attempt to sic his followers on the US Capitol, the rape judgement, the arrest, and the creation of a neo-fascist goon squad would do for him before then, wouldn't you?

If Americans cared about their economy, they wouldn't have voted Trump back in or come dangerously close to reelecting him in 2020.

Anyway, MAGA will just say it's the Democrat's fault somehow, and the rest of the public will go vote in those free and fair elections that are definitely going to be held…

I admitted I was wrong on the crime but this is a valid source. I didn't make the initial 3rd world claim. The burden of proof isn't on me but I suspect I won't be seeing any science that suggests the USA isn't a 3rd world country. Like I said welcome to try but I'm sitting comfortable here knowing it isn't and it won't be proven.

The US may not be a 3rd world country, but its 1 of the worst 1st world countries that exist based on the following statistics.

Key statistics where the USA ranks poorly:

• Health Outcomes:
  • Life Expectancy: Ranks 34th among high-income countries, with lower life expectancy than peers.
  • Maternal Mortality: Among the highest in developed nations.
  • Obesity: Extremely high rates compared to other countries.
  • Mental Health/Addiction: Highest rates of mental illness and drug addictions, particularly with the opioid pandemic.
• Safety and Justice:
  • Gun Violence: 27th highest firearm homicide rate globally, far exceeding other wealthy nations.
  • Police Killings: Significantly higher rates compared to nations like Germany or the UK.
  • Incarceration: One of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
• Social and Economic Inequality:
  • Poverty: Higher, more extreme poverty rates (17.8%) compared to a 10.7% average in 25 other developed nations.
  • Wealth Gap: 4th largest wealth gap in the world.
  • Healthcare Access: 62% of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical bills.
• Quality of Life and Infrastructure:
  • Work-Life Balance: Ranked 26th out of 36 OECD countries.
  • Broadband Access: Ranked 15th in the world for broadband penetration.
  • Voter Turnout: Ranked 120th out of 169 countries.
  • Childcare/Education: Limited access to affordable childcare and high education debt. 

You basically just said it's a first world country and proved it with facts. Thank you for making my point.

I never said it was the best first world country I just argued (badly at times) against the hyperbole that it's a 3rd world country.