Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Freeze Peach right

"They can't have it both ways"

I think my friend, you'll find they can and regularly do have it both ways...

Remember these two?

"You can't brandish guns at a protest"

In my own circle I know 4 different people who have cancelled planned trips to USA next year . All say the same they would not set foot in the country at the moment . I personally am planning to go to Canada next year and will absolutely make sure my stopover is not in US .

I am guessing that will not be unusual among Irish and Europeans next year

Where at what stage did Alex provoke ICE ? There was no provocation at all

I am not American either and have not lived there so 🤷‍♂️, but that is my understanding, yes. I gather there's a big variance in the US laws on it by state (which presumably impacts local "gun culture" of each one [if that's okay term to use!]) but don't think any of them would be as restrictive as ourselves, or the UK.

I can't believe people are commenting on this issue having zero knowledge of what happened. Admittedly I do listen to CNN before bed and in the morning, but it was also covered today on RTE and Newstalk, and every newspaper is covering it. And still, people are coming on here going "Well he shouldn't have provoked them/Shouldnt have been brandishing his pistol/Shouldn't have had flapper jacks for breakfast"

I was recently offered an all expenses paid trip to Orlando to cover a conference for work and I turned it down. I won't be setting foot on American soil until the Orange mad bastard is out of office.

Pretti provoked nobody, he was murdered in cold blood for standing up for a woman whom ICE was harrassing.

I think he "provoked"them by trying to help the woman they bullied to the ground. The poor egos of those ICE thugs were hurt by that.

They immediately went in on him with pepper spray, piled on top of him just before pumping him with 10 bullets.

I think the following is clear from the numerous videos.

*Pretti did not brandish a gun at any stage

*He neither violenly attacked ICE agents or violently resisted arrest

*He was trying to assist a lady who had been pushed to the ground

*He did not present any danger to the ICE agents when he was on the ground

I don't think bodycam footage is going to reveal any additional information apart from revealing any conversations and any interaction prior to Pretti being assualted.

What has yet to be revealed is how many shots were fired, how many agents fired shots, who fired the first shots and whether any shot was fired by the agent using Pretti's gun. The only slight mitigation for the agents actions would be if an agent accidentally discharged a bullet from Pretti's gun. It does not explain why he was shot ~ 10 times in the back.

From the analysis I have seen, it seems that no shot was discharged from Pretti's gun. Is this correct?

Did someone shout gun?

Yes,that was it.They were out of control but to be fair ,they were working for the mob and so mob behaviour seems appropriate.

RIP another good man.

While I'm strongly opposed to widespread gun ownership, I find it ironic that the NRA, having run ads for decades arguing guns are needed to prevent a tyranny, thrice supported the election of this president.

I remember the ads they ran during the Blair government of the UK showing pro Fox hunting protests and presenting it as a sign of a country having lost its freedom. It said 'you think it cant happen here?'