Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

"Der Hitler hat für Ordnung gesorgt!"

That's on the administration who as I've said i wouldn't have voted for.

I understand the sentiment, but Walz can't really do that, practically speaking. Minnesota may be a 'blue state', but that doesn't mean it's a haven away from MAGA. Judging from the 2024 election, there are still a good many of them about in that state, so any really, really strong action like secession would probably spark a crisis within the state, plus whatever Trump's federal government wants to throw at them.

That's kind of the problem with the 'civil war 2' scenario in general. It's not just 'them down there/us up here'. The sides are neighbours in many cases. I think this is a fact that leaders like Walz would recognise.

In fairness, you seem to be making every effort to treat this as no biggy while bitching about immigrants. The reality is ICE are hiring people who should not be given such authority.

You don't seem remotely outraged about what Trump is responsible for. The president is becoming a weekly apologist for murder.

If that Rodney King beating happened today you'd have folk on here saying he shouldn't have given the cops reason to pull him over in the first place

How does American policing work, do the Minneapolis police have no investigative role when these incidents take place.

It is mind boggling to me that a death takes place and there seems to be no investigation, everyone just walks away. US Republicans pride themselves on been in support of law enforcement, so where is the law enforcement. Do local police FBI or anyone apart from ICE and homeland security have any role in this.

America seems to be lawless, quite literally, at the moment.

Following latest events, including Bondi demanding the electoral registers, this post is apt for here as it is Trump who has ended the previous world order and caused this rupture, and what is happening in the USA has happened before and it following a clear path, and ask whether Ireland’s current defence and neutrality posture is still fit for purpose.

One way or the other,

• there will not be free and fair elections in November 2026,
• the notion of 'waiting this out' is futile,
• Trump and MAGA will not leave power,
  • at best if Trump dies it may subside somewhat, similar to a theoretical Nazi movement where Hitler died pre-WW2; still there but loses the cult of personality.
• The parallels are clear and unmistakable, and the Republican party will never 'go back', their donors, the lifeblood of their party, are completely changed and the ones driving this ideology.

I had said previously Pax Americana was over, and that our real threat was not from Russia in the east, but the facsist entity the USA has become to our west. I mean that for Europe, but very much so for Ireland. In my view we are in real danger here as we are key to north Atlantic sea lanes, undersea data cables, air and maritime approaches, while simultaneously having compeltely underinvested in defence. We have two subtantial threats, which is that

• the USA (and they will try for Greenland again and then Iceland {who are now fast-tracking a referundum on EU membership ASAP}) will target us.
  • All they need say is "Russian subs are sneaking down Ireland's coast and into the Atlantic undetected, where they can head to Floraid/NewYork/ etc. coast" and
  • how we have done nothing to invest in our defence (absolutely true, and I welcome the governments spending increases, but it is TOO SLOW), so theyre taking over our defence.
• if Reform get into power in the next UK election.
  • Again, they need only say our lack of defence spending is exposing Britains defence, and they need to take over things. There was an opinion piece in a UK newspaper last week (I cant remember which) that effectively said that since the USA can take Venezuela/Greenland for its defence, why cant the UK take Ireland

This is going to get worse; the blue states in the USA will be subdued, then full attention back on Europe and Canada. This is not hyperbole or nonsense, its a real existential threat facing the EU and we are on the frontline here, and we are leaving ourselves defenceless, and by virtue of that making it very difficult for a case of support from the EU mainland should it come to pass.

We need to petition our politicians, MEPs, and TDs to

• advocate and press for increased defence spending,
• accept that our neutrality is now a liability in the world we live in today, and
• support further EU political union and federalisation so that we and Europe can face this new order.

CNN reporting that Bondi is saying ICE will leave Minnesota if the state hands over its voter rolls.

This seems to violate the 10th Amendment, which states that the federal government cannot force state governments or their officials to implement federal regulatory programs.

Democrat waverers are now saying they wont vote for ICE funding. This brings a government shutdown closer.

The Elections Clause of the US Constitution states the following (apologies for 18th century spelling but then again the US seems to be going back to the 19th century):

• Section 4 Congress
  • Clause 1 Elections Clause
  • The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
    • ArtI.S4.C1.1  Historical Background on Elections Clause
    • ArtI.S4.C1.2  States and Elections Clause
    • ArtI.S4.C1.3  Congress and Elections Clause
  • Clause 2 Assembly
  • The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
    • ArtI.S4.C2.1  When Congress Shall Assemble

Totally agree, but on the defence spending part, that will be immediately be met with, "We need de houses, not de missiles, Joe Kieran!"

On the wider situation in Europe, yes, I think Europe's about three elections away from falling to authoritarianism. Far-right parties are topping the polls in UK, France and Germany, and this doesn't appear to be setting off any major alarm bells. Labour in the UK just think that if they can allocate a bit more money to literacy programs or whatever, they'll close the gap. Turkeys waiting for Christmas while rearranging deckchairs.

weird weird people in power.. tellin’ ya, ICE could shoot dead children in a Créche and within hours, psychos in administration would be defending and justifying it!!!

If the USA breaks into outright civil war then I can see a lot of walk backs. Right now a lot EU governments, including centre right are supporting the crackdown on the likes of grok.

The Davos ruptures are only permeating through polities across the continent, in some instances hastening reduced alignment with the USA.