Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

On the other point being raised that since ICE is clearly untrained it is foolish to go near them, who is to blame for that?

Noem clearly. 2 shootings in a few weeks means she should resign. Trump clearly carries ultimate responsibility but as usual has offered nothing in the way of taking any action at all.

I wonder if I'd be able to use some posters' logic and claim that Charlie Kirk was responsible for his getting shot. After all, if he hadn't spent his life riling people up, he wouldn't have been shot. Maybe he should have stayed at home.

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The point is that from the estimates of those entering unauthorised compared to the estimates of those deported makes it a zero number exercise where twice as many are entering as being deported.

Biden deported the same numbers without using this present murderous scum of the earth that is causing so much civil unrest and did it for $19 Billion a year less.

Are illegals immune from prosecution for breaking any law, up to and including murder, as this scum are ?

Alex Pretti was fully covered to carry his firearm in a holster when he was walking down a street in his home city, regardless of what was happening on the streets there. Donald J Trump has no argument with people in the U.S. doing so when they are complying with the laws of the U.S as Alex was. It is not an executable offence to do so.

He had the unfortunate bad luck to meet up with a group of federal agents mistreating a fellow citizen and intervened to protect her from harm. On intervening to help her, he was sprayed with an incapacitating agent three times before being taken to the ground by several agents. He was then disarmed by one of the agents after which another agent who had seen Alex being disarmed shot Alex on the ground.

Other agents there then fired several more shots into Alex' s body as he lay face down on the ground. They basically executed Alex on the street they stood on for the crime of being a U.S. citizen they did not like at that moment. Their boss, Kirstie Noem, probably would approve of them shooting Alex like a dog on the street. She certainly has no problem with lying about the circumstances of his execution by her agents.

I thought Americans fight hard for the right to carry a gun?

Yes, and the difference here is that the latest ICE victim didn't even have his gun out, and was legally allowed to carry it, whereas Rittenhouse didn't have a gun licence and was openly brandishing. Rittenhouse wasn't shot, and shot people (arguing self defence), whereas Pretti never shot anyone, or even unholstered his weapon (?), was disarmed and then shot dead.

That is true, when they support the current government. Could see what happened in California when the Black Panthers openly started carrying and how the gun laws were then changed.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett cites Amicus Briefs that say firing Fed Governor Lisa Cook could cause a recession.

Yup. It's allowable for a person to uncover a weapon for the purpose of self-defence or to prevent a murder taking place. There is the absolute corollary that when the threat is no longer there, that the weapon is returned to its holder unused.

Alex had been disarmed when he was shot in the back on the ground and was NOT a threat to the agents standing around him. The threat to life excuse was wiped off the D.H.S plausible excuse board.

There's lots of rhetorical questioning on this thread and in the mainstream media "will this be the inflection point for America?"

Simple answer: no, nope, not a hope.

I have no skin in this game (willingly admit that I could not identify Minneapolis - or Missouri - on a map of the USofA) … but I cannot get over how utterly submissive the whole feckin lot of them are. Where are the riots? Where are the petrol bombs being flung at those masked hooligans?

All I've heard so far from the local leaders are "impassioned" pleas for people to be nice, to refrain from violence (in the face of violence) and Walz's "appeal to the Tzar" sounding every bit like those babuskhas we've been seeing in Russia over the last four years.

This seems like an almost perfect parallel of the US's attitude to Russia: do nothing for fear of escalating the situation. OK, maybe I've spent too long living with the French, but FFS take back control and escalate the situation under your own terms because the other side is damn well going to do it anyway.

Well the obvious Irish govt. response should be to try and wean ourselves off the US gradually (hard task, I know).

Look to the EU and relations with other members as opposed to just prostrating ourselves before Trump + Corporate America and pray it'll be alright (while latter work at lining up local quislings in Ireland, who'll be more palatable to the new regime over there - Bannon's "Irish Trump")

Am hoping for that, but don't expect it, sadly.

That video reminded me a lot of the video of Rodney King being beaten up and kicked by police in California. That played a role in my opinion in why the jury in the OJ Simpson case did not convict him. It was a largely Black jury. While Alex Pretti was not Black, nonetheless George Bush Sr did invoke the Insurrection Act 1807 and send in the troops to suppress rioting that resulted from the public outrage at the Rodney King video.

I think this administration has set out to provoke communities in order to have an excuse to send in the troops.

The only thing that seems to excite them is the right to bear arms.

Now oddly it's the federal execution of a citizen for legally possessing a firearm as is their right. This will force people previously opposed to owning a gun to arm themselves against a tyrannical government that may take away the right to arm themselves.

How it all evolves from here is just dynamics, but at some stage that bonfire of weapons will ignite.

Many argued that the great European powers couldn't go to war if everyone was equally armed.

I have actually and the number's entering illegally are way down. Still a lot of work to be done and as we know there's still a huge number of illegals and undocumented that need deporting.

which could/can be construed as a poorly trained agent, in a split second making a fatal mistake.

He fired 10 shots into the back of a man who was restrained and lying on the ground.

There was no "mistake" here.

It was a cowardly murder.