Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

I see what sock rocker is saying, and I think most people would if they'd allow themselves to think about it instead of jumping to their default position. Not everything has to be polarised as 100% right or wrong.

Is it reckless for one's own safety to bring a consealed weapon to an ICE protest? Absolutely the answer is yes - we have seen the evidence.

Should it be a danger to one's own safety?

Absolutely not, but ICE are a raggle taggle group of dangerous idiots with the unequivocal backing of the federal govt.

It's a complete shitshow. ICE and the govt are quite happy for these killings to occur IMO as a deterrent to others who might have considered protesting.

But if everyone just complies, the USA is fcked. The citizens have to take that risk to protect their society, and can't be then blamed if the ICE militia kill them.

For having a scum opinion. There is one narrative with cold blooded murder. Another piece of scum.

Mod: Warning issued for multiple instances of personal abuse

What ansolutely, utterly, mental comment.

'what about murders from illegals?'

Whataboutery strikes again.

Statement from Michael and Susan Pretti Parents of Alex Jeffrey Pretti

We are heartbroken but also very angry.

Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately, he will not be with us to see his impact.

I do not throw around the ‘hero’ term lightly. However, his last thought and act was to protect a woman. The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He had his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down, all while being pepper sprayed.

Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you.

That's a lie. I didn't call anyone on this site scum.

You did by quoting my post. If you want to play silly games, I'm not going to waste my time.

It's a question that doesn't matter because there's nothing to indicate he was going to protest.

He was there in the area and decided to help 2 women, while legally carrying a weapon as per his rights.

Here's the thing: I'm not really a fan of how some states or people use their second amendment but if you can't exercise a right because you might be killed for it, you don't have that right to begin with. Once people say 'Oh, best not do this thing that you're constitutionally allowed or else...' you get into dangerous territory.

Plus of course the fact that he wasn't armed when they shot him several times.

Below is best version I've seen of the incident, and the warning on it is fully justified.

If you do watch, especially the slowed down version, it's incredibly damning of ICE. The guy that shoots, is standing beside the Grey topped agent who reaches in to help push Alex Pretti down. Grey guy spots the gun on Alex's belt, and removes it - while shooter guy has a clear view of this, is standing right beside him, looking right down.

He can see Alex is being disarmed but still draws his gun, waits for Grey guy to move out of way with Alex's gun and then shoots once into Alex's back.

As other agents jump back from the shot, Gun guy fires a few more times as Alex lies on ground, steps back and then fires a few more just to be sure.

Its damning, and puts to lie what administration is trying to claim happened

Maybe Noem and Bovino should listen to their martyr a bit more.