Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Jack , the situation is ‘a bit more nuanced ‘ than you are making it out to be . Suggesting that they should stay at home in their nice warm bed is ‘ a somewhat naieve’ to put it kindly

Trump wants to create havoc and he was almost guaranteed to achieve his objective by the ‘instructions and equipment’ he is giving to ICE and all bolted down by the daily comments he and others make through the media. Communities of course going to come out and show their ‘displeasure’ at ICE’s methods , who it arrests, no warrants produced, etc, etc, and this is exactly what Trump was hoping for because it gives ICE the fodder/ grounds to find reasons to ESCELATE.

Staying at home would not work because ICE/ Trump will find some way to create the level of HAVOC required. What would you do Jack if ICE knocked on your door and you had to get out of your warm bed to answer it. And on that they look for ‘illegals ‘ in the house and on finding none wrestle you to the ground and then physically ‘pump ‘ you for information and maybe, for good measure, take a family member down to the station to question him/her and they come back with a few bruises/ scratches that they apparently acquired while walking home ?

So Jack, if that was your experience what

(1) would you do / how would you react?

(2) And how do you think your neighbours /community react if they found out what happened to you ?

(3) Or would you sweep it under the carpet and tell nobody so as not to potentially escalate the situation?

A few comments:

The execution of Alex Pretti is the most disgusting, and disturbing thing I have seen in the US for a long time, and that's saying something. I was an early fan of AOC, then I saw her on a few occasions where she was clearly out of her depth and sounding like a student union politician, but her comments on Noem's remarks were right on the mark: people need to believe themselves. Unfortunately as I discovered when I lived in the US, and it seems to have got a lot worse in the last 22 years, a significant proportion of the population want to outsource their thinking - either to religious or political leaders.

I'm very literal so I don't see @Jack Daw's posts as victim blaming, while understanding why others do. They do raise the important question though, how can the conduct of federal agencies be protested without risking further loss of life? As I understand it, Pretti wasn't actually taking part in a protest, he was just being a good citizen in directing traffic around some agents, and then he went to help a woman who had been pepper sprayed. I've done similar things myself in the past, including preventing police from following protesters onto my property, though I wasn't risking being shot dead at any time.

It's sad but true that it's best to avoid any close interaction with armed thugs in the current environment - I say that while acknowledging that a strong, organised and widespread protest against the conduct of the Trump regime is essential.