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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This must be after any living Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have been ethnically cleansed to Somaliland. Imagine if this presentation in Davos was about the US vision for Greenland! Imagine the outcry in the World media and from the World's liberals so many of whom are always silent when the colonialism and racism is against Arabs and Muslims.

    “I’m a real estate person at heart... and I said, look at this location on the sea. Look at this beautiful piece of property. What it could be for so many people,” he said at the World Economic Forum.

    His son-in-law Jared Kushner, who has no official title but is one of Trump’s envoys for the Gaza ceasefire, said his “master plan” aimed for “catastrophic success.”

    With a slide showing dozens of shiny terraced apartment towers overlooking a tree-lined promenade, he promised a Mediterranean utopia rising from the scarred Gaza landscape.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This is the Israel extolled by the West. The President of Israel attended Davos and met the similar in Somaliland, no doubt arranging the amount of shekels Israel will pay per ethnically-cleansed Palestinian refugee. It could be quite expensive if the fee is like a pension payable until the refugee is dead.

    https://www.btselem.org/publications/202601_living_hell

    Content Warning: Sexual Violence
    The testimonies below include descriptions of rape and other forms of sexual violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israeli NGOs assessment of the brutality of the genocidal state.

    https://emekshaveh.org/en/state-of-the-occupation-58/

    The Platform – Israeli NGOs for Human Rights: The Association for Civil Rights in Israel; Bimkom – Planners for Planning Rights; Breaking the Silence; Combatants for Peace; Emek Shaveh; Gisha – Legal Center for Freedom of Movement; HaMoked: Center for the Defence of the Individual; Ir Amim; MachsomWatch; Physicians for Human Rights Israel; The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel; Torah of Justice; Yesh Din



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    They could help Trump go for greenland at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Israel has never fought alongside America. Not in Korea, not in Vietnam, not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan.
    If they “helped Trump go for Greenland”, seizing the territory of a European state, they would probably still be welcomed with open arms at the Eurovision.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I could so see Eurovision happening. Denmark funnily enough did fight with the USA in Iraq no..which i would not have supported by the way. I think they had the most deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I hope that this is just some pathetic attempt at trolling for attention.

    If not, then shame on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    There was no whataboutery in my response. I had previously referred to the imprisonment of Palestinians in Rafah by Israel and was repeating it. I had previously referred to the torture of Palestinians being carried out in Israeli jails and was repeating it. I added in for context the 100,000 murdered Palestinians and the quarter of a million injured since October 2023 – these are the realities that most of those who disagree with racism, in any form, can never bring themselves to mention.

    The scale, ambition, and duration of the Zionist savagery is such that Jews outside of Israel cannot disassociate themselves from it. Many of them lobby politically and financially for Israel. If you had read my earlier posts, you would be aware that the discussion concerned the notion of Jews fleeing the UK in fear of their lives. The peaceful Palestine Action and other marches were being presented as an existential threat to the lives of Jews in the UK. Jewish people across the World have promoted the Zionist narrative of inverting reality. The brutal oppressor is transformed into the innocent victim wanting to live peacefully on the land of their ancestors. The innocent victim is a terrorist and animal squatting on land owned 2,000 years ago by an ancestor of today’s Israeli. The end game is to make all criticism of Israel a criminal offence.

    A few days ago, I posted a quote from Edward Said (repeated in italics below) which is still 100% valid for the carry-on of Israel and its supporters. It is an old playbook that has served Israel for 75 years and convinced people that their ethnic cleansing and genocide is a defence against an existential threat. That farce needs to be ended. The time is long past for making delicate tiptoe distinctions between Israelis and Jews. That time was buried in the genocide graves of Palestinians in Gaza. Israel are now working flat-out to expel all Palestinians from Palestine. That needs to be stopped and reversed and refugees allowed to return and repossess their land and properties.

    The main thing is to isolate your enemy from time, from causality, from prior action, and thereby to portray him or her as ontologically and gratuitously interested in wreaking havoc for its own sake. Thus, if you can show that…Moslems, Palestinian’s and Arabs, generally speaking, have no reality except that which…confirms their terrorist essence as…Moslems, Palestinians, and Arabs, you can go on to attack them and their ‘terrorist’ states generally, and avoid all questions about your own behavior or about your share in their present fate.”

    It is strange that you find Jews referring to themselves as a tribe to be anti-semitic, whereas they are proud of it as it is their lineage back to the 12 Jewish tribes in biblical times. That lineage is their basis for justifying the theft of Palestine and the creation of a Greater Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Roman Emperor


    Not a lot to disagree with there - except to say I think it's a bit unfair to say that, "Jews outside of Israel cannot disassociate themselves …" from Zionist savagery.

    An ever increasing number of Jews around the world are speaking out against Israeli bestiality in Gaza - and it's surely not an easy thing to do.

    To be labelled an antisemite is bad enough - to be labelled a self-hating Jew must be infinitely worse.

    I believe the Netanyahu regime's cynical ploy of routinely conflating Zionism with Judaism is a deliberate tactic to tar Jews everywhere in the world with the Zionist brush.

    I think Netanyahu is, by this conflation, very consciously trying to stoke antisemitism - because Netanyahu and his regime need antisemitism in order to justify the Gaza genocide to the wider world.

    Watch any of the regime's mouthpieces on TV - Eylon Levy, David Mencer, Danny Danon, Mark Regev - they'll drone on forever and a day about antisemitism and blood-libels but never once will you hear them mention Zionism.

    What they really want, without having the backbone to spell it out, is for innocent Jews around the world to shoulder the lions share of the blame for Israeli criminality and shameless contempt for international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Bearing in mind, not everyone is a skilled writer... It’s easy to be misunderstood. And being a wordsmith isn’t a requirement for joining social forums.

    A lot of Jewish people are dissociating themselves from Zionist hardliners (Greater Israel):

    Jewish Voice for Peace - New York City chapter’s peaceful protest on Monday, 6 November 2023, went viral:

    “JVP took over the Statue of Liberty to demand a ceasefire”
    https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/11/07/wire-statue-of-liberty/

    https://www.jvpnyc.org/who-we-are

    JVC-NYC_m.png

    “As Jews for Palestinian freedom, we won’t waver in our belief that every life is precious. We know that these false accusations of antisemitism are a cynical distraction from Israeli atrocities, and that diluting the meaning of “antisemitism” puts Jews in greater danger. We know that there is no justice in arming an apartheid state — only in solidarity with each other.“

    STARRY: On 10 January 2024, University of Galway Human Rights Lecturer Dr Maeve O’Rourke re-posted an X by Lowkey@Lowkey0nline containing a video clip where Israeli Zionist Minister Bezalel Smotrich describes the population of Gaza as Nazis:

    "We need to create a proper Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, because if we are not there, there will be 2 million Nazis who want to eliminate us...."

    STARRY: What do you if the rabbi of your local synagogue is supporting the occupation of Gaza and annexation of West Bank (extending toward Greater Israel).

    Are you going to move due to peer pressure, take your kids out of school., find a new temple? ... Risk losing your connection with close friends... I experienced the same with Catholicism trying to stand up for women and children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Looks like 2026 will be the end of Palestinians living in Palestine.

    For seventeen years, the Abu Hamad family waited for a child. When he finally arrived, the siege, the winter cold, and Gaza’s collapsing environment took him away.

    Six-month-old Yousef Abu Hamad died this week after prolonged exposure to freezing temperatures and sewage pollution near his family’s makeshift shelter in al-Mawasi, west of Khan Yunis in southern Gaza. His death is one of a growing number of infant fatalities linked not to illness alone, but to the conditions imposed by genocide, displacement, and blockade.

    Displaced from their home in Bani Suheila, east of Khan Yunis, the family had been living in a tent erected beside an open sewage discharge point—one of many created after Israel’s bombardment destroyed large sections of Gaza’s sanitation infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭rapul


    Sickening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Slowly but surely still pursuing the same targets

    "An Israeli drone dropped a bomb on the two boys in an area from which the Israeli forces had previously withdrawn under the terms of the agreement."

    https://www.trtworld.com/article/db12974d9988

    "Three Palestinian journalists have been killed in an Israeli strike in central Gaza, first responders say."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98pnzp50nqo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭brickster69


    This is what the security council voted for along with the PA and the foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE, Indonesia, Pakistan, Türkiye, Qatar, and Egypt issued a joint statement saying they assert their confidence in the plan and stressed "the importance of the partnership with the United States in securing peace in the region."

    A dark stain on the UN maybe the worst day in it's history.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Your disgusting anti-semitic racist post described British Jews as being part of an abhorrent tribe.

    Any references to Israeli actions are total whataboutery in that context. The only link between British Jews and Israelis is that most of them share the same religion. So your whataboutery is itself reinforcing the anti-semitic nature of your posting.

    As for this sentence:

    The scale, ambition, and duration of the Zionist savagery is such that Jews outside of Israel cannot disassociate themselves from it.

    That sentence is yet more of your innate racist anti-semitism. You appear to want to establish a Nazi-style blood libel, making all Jews everywhere responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. Any right-minded person will reject this kind facist ideolgy that you are advocating.

    And you double down on it later with this extra little piece of fascst anti-semitism :

    The time is long past for making delicate tiptoe distinctions between Israelis and Jews.

    And as for this waffe:

    It is strange that you find Jews referring to themselves as a tribe to be anti-semitic, whereas they are proud of it as it is their lineage back to the 12 Jewish tribes in biblical times.

    I didn't find your use of "tribe" to be anti-semitic. I was just surprised at how much you wished to clarify that you were indeed being 100% intentionally anti-semitic, and were willing to quote sources to prove your anti-semitism was entirely intentional. I suppose if you're going to be a fascist, there is some internal credibility in being so strident about it.

    There are plenty of posters here who abhor the actions of the Israeli government, but are fully capable of vehemently objecting to their actions without a trace of anti-semitism. In fact, probably the most prolific anti-Israeli government poster on this thread frequently uses sources from a publication that is itself Israeli, and staffed by journalists who are Israeli, and most likely, as it happens, Jewish. That strengthens their position considerably.

    Whereas your fascist antisemitism entirely undermines your credibility as a poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    I'd be genuinly interested to know what the Jews of the UK think of the Israel/Palestine situation. Have they organised many rallys disassociating themselves from what Israel are doing, or called for a free independant Palestine at their pre 1970 official border? No point in asking if they would hold a rally in support of Israel, its not the same thing, easier to stay silent and support, not draw unwanted attention. Nothing to lose supporting in silence, Israel are winning hands down.

    So Enduro, you seem to think British jews are not the same as Israel, so have the stood against Israel ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    They are not a collective. I would assume that each individual has their own views. They have no responsibility to take a position on the what the Isreali government gets up than anyone else in the UK, or anywhere else in the world of any religion.

    Would you be happy if you were assumed to be part of a a hive mind sharing the same opinions and responsibilities as everyone sharing your nationality and religion?

    Because I sure as wouldn't be happy with that, since I think for myself as an indivual. I also grant that assumption to every other nationality and religion (or lack thereof).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    While i see your point on jews not being a collective, they sort of are. Half the Jews alive are in Israel and theres only 15m of them. Marry outside the faith will generally have you removed as a Jew, thats nothing like the typical Irish Christian faith.

    The Israel govt does what the majority of jews in Israel want. There has been many chances for the peoples of Israel to stop the many decades of slaughter of the palestian people, but they haven't. So its fair to say the majority of Israeli jews want the genocide of the Palestinians and to coin a word you've used, that is disgusting.

    So my point been, if i were a british jew, i would want to disassociate myself from what the jews of Israel are doing. I would feel silence would imply association and support for Israel. So have british jews shown vocal solidarity for Palestine. What have the leaders of their community been saying, the Rabbis.

    You seem to think british jews are not associated with israel, its the cornerstone of calling wildgreen an antisemite so im sure you know the amswer to this question or you wouldn't be doubling down in seperating uk and israeli jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    British Jews are no more a collective than Irish Catholics are. And, errr, I think you'll find that the (Still current) requirement of the catholic church that any children of mixed marriages must be brought up as Catholics is actually quite similar to what you're describing in your first paragraph. Did you forget about that?

    British Jews have no more requirement as individuals than anyone else in the UK or anyone to express any opinion publicly or otherwise about the actions of the government of Israel.

    In the same way there was no requirement on anyone from an Irish Catholic background to express any opinions on the IRA's terrorist campaign, or march against it. That didn't make anyone beyond the IRA responsible for their actions and rightly so.

    Trying to implicate British Jews as being somehow responsible for the actions of the Israeli Government puts you in the same prejudiced bucket that various elements of the British "justice" system used to lock innocent Irish Catholics for for the crimes committed by the IRA (They're Irish Catholics.. they'll do)

    And as a bye the way, being a large collection of individuals who have their own minds, if you look you will find examples of individual British Jews who object to the actions of the current Israeli government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Saying the majority of Israeli jews want the genocide of the Palestinian people is like saying the majority of Irish people actively want a housing crisis and a busted health system.

    Real life is a lot more nuanced then making such a simple statement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-touts-gaza-filled-luxury-141645044.html

    Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner:

    "In the Middle East they build cities like this, you know for two or three million people, they build this in three years," Kushner said.

    "And so stuff like this is very doable if we make it happen."

    He touted investments of at least $25 billion to rebuild destroyed infrastructure and public services.

    Within 10 years, the territory's GDP would be $10 billion, and households would enjoy average income of $13,000 a year thanks to "100-percent full employment and opportunity for everybody there", he said.

    STARRY: I don’t believe this. Is Kushner saying within 10 years, Palestinians will have an average income of $13,000 a year serving the rich as baristas and scullery maids in the Trump family's Riviera of the Middle East?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    ^ The Joint Statement is confusing. This is what chaos is. What are the objectives of the Second Phase Board of Peace plan?

    There is no peace, there is no ceasefire. It appears to be business as usual for the National Zionists with their agenda to erase Palestine.

    https://www.mfa.gov.tr/joint-statement-by-the-foreign-ministers-of-turkiye-egypt-indonesia-jordan-pakistan-qatar-saudi-arabia-and-uae-21-01-2026.en.mfa

    Joint Statement by the Foreign Ministers of Türkiye, Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and UAE, 21 January 2026

    The Foreign Ministers of the Republic of Türkiye, the Arab Republic of Egypt, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the Republic of Indonesia, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the State of Qatar, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates welcome the invitation extended to their leaders by the President of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump, to join the Board of Peace.

    The Ministers announce their countries’ shared decision to join the Board of Peace. Each country will sign the joining documents according to their respective relevant legal and other necessary procedures, including the Arab Republic of Egypt, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates, that have already announced to join.

    The Ministers reiterate their countries’ support for the peace efforts led by President Trump, and reaffirm their countries’ commitment to supporting the implementation of the mission of the Board of Peace as a transitional administration, as set out in the Comprehensive Plan to End the Gaza Conflict and endorsed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 2803, aimed at consolidating a permanent ceasefire, supporting the reconstruction of Gaza, and advancing a just and lasting peace grounded in the Palestinian right to self-determination and statehood in accordance with international law, thereby paving the way for security and stability for all countries and peoples of the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    A "Board of Conflict”

    STARRY: Israel have advanced from the Yellow Line and are occupying over 60 percent of Gaza’s territory. Please watch the Democracy Now! video in tandem with the MEE video. David Hearst is pessimistic, as am I.

    MEE David Hearst says the founding executive Board of Peace is an attempt to sideline the United Nations. And it’s stacked with

    “people who denied a genocide was and is taking place in Gaza. People like US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, US Middle East envoy Steve Witkof, Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, as well as folk like the Wall Street financier Marc Rowan, who bullied US universities into banning demonstrations in support of Palestine. These men support the most extreme and violent wave of settlement that Gaza and the West Bank has seen in its history.

    “They believe in greater Israel. They're doing everything in their power to establish Israel as a regional military hegemon. [...]

    David Hearst
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/users/david-hearst

    “David Hearst is co-founder and editor-in-chief of Middle East Eye. He is a commentator and speaker on the region and analyst on Saudi Arabia. He was the Guardian's foreign leader writer, and was correspondent in Russia, Europe, and Belfast. He joined the Guardian from The Scotsman, where he was education correspondent.”

    FOUNDING EXECUTIVE BOARD WITH TRUMP

    Middle East Eye

    ‘Trump is running Gaza, and the world, like a mafia boss | David Hearst | MEE Opinion’

    Jan 24, 2026
    “David Hearst, editor-in-chief of Middle East Eye, says Donald Trump’s "Board of Peace" is a bid to install himself as "CEO of the world" and sideline the United Nations. He argues the executive board is "stacked full of people who denied a genocide" is taking place in Gaza and is populated by figures who believe in a "Greater Israel".

    “Hearst points out that the only member with regional experience is Tony Blair, but adds that this experience amounts to "invading Iraq and unleashing a devastating seven-year civil war". He reveals that the British government has actively distanced itself from the former prime minister and that National Security Advisor Jonathan Powell "lobbied actively against the nomination".

    “ Hearst warns that this initiative looks like a "Board of Conflict" where nations like Saudi Arabia remain involved only because they view Israel as a "threat to their national security". Describing Trump as a "mafia boss" and the board members as equivalent to asking Serbian war criminals to negotiate peace, Hearst concludes that Palestinians will "throw the Board of Peace into the dustbin of history long before the same happens to Trump himself.”

    ABSOLUTELY MUST SEE DEMOCRACY NOW! VIDEO BELOW:

    IT’S “VERY ORWELLIAN”

    SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS - DROP SITE NEWS IS SPEAKING HERE

    SCROLL TO: 6:56 / 20:21

    RED FLAG: 'ISRAEL IS DIGGING A MANY METRES DEEP TRENCH ALONG [EXPANDING] YELLOW LINE IN GAZA TO PREVENT PALESTINIANS CROSSING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE WHICH ISRAEL NOW CONTROLS.'

    GAZA IS NOW LITERALLY SPLIT IN HALF WITH A TRENCH

    PLEASE FOLLOW THIS VIDEO CAREFULLY. THESE ARE MY QUICK NOTES, BUT THERE IS A TRANSCRIPT AVAILABLE

    THEY ARE PLANNING DIGITAL BIOMETRIC ENSLAVEMENT FOR GAZANS... ABSOLUTE TOTALITARIAN CONTROL…


    Democracy Now!
    "Emperor" Trump's So-Called Board of Peace Erases Palestinians from Gaza Governance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭brickster69


    As well as those you had 3 of the permanent members of the security council France, US and UK, two of which recognized Palestine as a state a couple of months earlier. The other two were the only ones to abstain.

    Then the other members in favour were Denmark, Greece, Pakistan, Panama, Somalia, Algeria, Guyana, Republic of Korea, Sierra Leone, and Slovenia.

    Quite ironic Denmark was all for it given recent events where the future of Greenland should be up to Greenlanders but don't accept that the future of Gaza should be up to the Palestinians but instead handed over to a 21st century version of the East India Tea Company corporation to do as it pleases.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Far from simple, we can't fix the housing issue over night, it doesn't matter who you vote for you won't fix that problem. Sinn Fein ran on the housing ticket, they greatly increased their base but they didn't get elected because not enough people believed their balance sheet.

    The Israeli people are a democracy and continue to vote for politicians that stand for the genocide. If there were a strong movement within Israel from the voting public to get out of Palestine and recognise that country then politicians would run on that ticket. Has that happened ? what party has run on the manifest to undo the decades of oppression and land grabbing ? If you see the Israeli people out looking for that, then the politicians will follow and there's a chance for change.

    Can you imagine the Irish govt storming into the 6 counties, killing men women and children, forcing people from their land and saying any republican catholic can have that property. Do you honestly thing the people in ROI wouldn't be out condemning that action, calling for change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Palestinians are going to be treated like prisoners in their own country. The usual inversion of the truth. The settlers and IDF should be getting tagged to record their ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    The UAE is set to fund the construction of a tightly surveilled ghetto for Palestinians on the ruins of Rafah in southern Gaza, providing a limited number of Palestinians with basic services as long as they submit to biometric data collection and security vetting, The Guardian reported on 24 January.

    According to planning documents and people familiar with the matter, plans for the construction of “Gaza’s first planned community” were held at the US-led Civil Military Coordination Center (CMCC) in Israel.

    The CMCC has been tasked with overseeing the administration of Gaza as part of US President Donald Trump’s 20-point “peace plan” for the strip.  

    The Guardian obtained an unclassified slide deck detailing the plans, which were approved by Israeli officials. The slide deck was used in a presentation to a group of European donors who visited the CMCC on 14 January.

    The planned ghetto in Rafah will be overseen by Trump’s newly created “Board of Peace,” which has been mandated to oversee reconstruction efforts in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    wildgreen, Thank you for the Guardian article.

    ^ I think the Master Plan (e.g., digital biometric, re-education programmes, electronic Shekel wallets to do transactions...) for Rafah will serve as a pilot for their other housing ZONES. Rafah was levelled by Israeli bombardment and is being renamed “New Rafah”.

    Master Plan_m.png

    ^ 'A slide about the proposed plan for Gaza. Photograph: Obtained by The Guardian'

    I hope people viewed the Democracy Now! video link I uploaded yesterday - interview with Drop Site News Middle East North Africa Editor Sharif Abdel Kouddous.

    Scroll to: 16:42 / 20:21 in this video : “Emperor" Trump's So-Called Board of Peace Erases Palestinians from Gaza Governance, where Drop Site News Editor Sharif explained:

    [...] ”Israel is consolidating control. And what you're going to have are these Orwellian housing zones where Israel and outside forces have complete economic, social, and security control over every aspect of the lives of a new generation of dispossessed Palestinians, who are coralled into these spaces.

    And then in this other half of Gaza, you're going to be left with Palestinians living in a wasteland where no construction is allowed to be conducted, that's under constant assault by Israeli bombs, where there's hardly any food, there's hardly any shelter, and they're left to survive under conditions of genocide. And this is the future that they're trying to write for Gaza.”

    Starry: Drop Site News received leaked documents of the presentation and published details from the docs prior to Jared Kushner sharing his "vision" at Davos World Economic Forum.

    BELOW ARE 2 MUST READ ARTICLES:

    ‘Leaked Documents: “Planned Community” in Rafah Would Force Palestinians Into Israeli Panopticon’

    ‘ U.S.-led Civil-Military Coordination Center is proposing a residential zone in Gaza with biometric surveillance, checkpoints, and educational programs promoting normalization with Israel.’
    By Sharif Abdel Kouddous, Jan 21, 2026
    https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/cmcc-leaked-documents-gaza-residential-zone-surveillance-checkpoints-rafah

    WILDGREEN’S GUARDIAN ARTICLE HEREIN:
    ‘United Arab Emirates plans to bankroll first ‘planned community’ in south Gaza’

    ‘Exclusive: Blueprints describe a ‘case study’ community where residents submit biometric data to gain entry’

    By Cate Brown in Washington, Sat 24 Jan 2026
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/23/uae-funds-gaza-community

    _______________

    Starry: In mid-2025, Israeli Minister for Defence Katz told reporters about “relocating” 2 million Palestinians to Rafah. Katz also spoke about encouraging Palestinians to “voluntarily” emigrate to other countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    British Jews are no more a collective than Irish Catholics are. And, errr, I think you'll find that the (Still current) requirement of the catholic church that any children of mixed marriages must be brought up as Catholics is actually quite similar to what you're describing in your first paragraph. Did you forget about that?

    Not what I said, for many (not all, in case you want to misquote me again) jews just marrying outside the faith will have you removed as a jew, your children are not Jews and for strong orthodox jews your family/community may disown you. If Catholic you can marry outside the faith in say a Protestant Church and you are not excommunicated. Obviously if you don't raise the children as Catholics then they have to be raised that way. There's nothing wrong with the Jewish faith being the way it is, its free to join or leave if you want, but they are a club with much stricter rules and that forms the stronger bonds between its membership.

    British Jews have no more requirement as individuals than anyone else in the UK or anyone to express any opinion publicly or otherwise about the actions of the government of Israel.

    I never said they did, I said if I were a Jew I would want to disassociate myself from what the Israeli Jews are doing, its not every day in the week your brothers are committing genocide. You were the one saying it was disgusting to say British jews were part of an abhorrent tribe. The Jewish homeland is committing Genocide and that regime have pursued that direction for decades, is that not an abhorrent tribe. I for one would want to disassociate from them. Have they ? That's a question.

    In the same way there was no requirement on anyone from an Irish Catholic background to express any opinions on the IRA's terrorist campaign, or march against it. That didn't make anyone beyond the IRA responsible for their actions and rightly so.

    First I'm no fan of the IRA, elements of that organisation are murdering thugs. But they were fighting an invading force, just like Ukraine fights Russia, or how Palestinians fight Israel. When the British treated Catholics the same as Protestants the IRA disbanded with a promise that the people of NI can determine their own path. Plus plenty of people in ROI spoke out against the IRA, the IRA didn't have a mandate from the people of ROI, your comparison doesn't hold water.

    Trying to implicate British Jews as being somehow responsible for the actions of the Israeli Government puts you in the same prejudiced bucket that various elements of the British "justice" system used to lock innocent Irish Catholics for for the crimes committed by the IRA (They're Irish Catholics.. they'll do)

    If British or any other Jewish community around the world held rally's against Israel's actions that could help to stop the genocide, If Jews in USA, which are a very strong lobby group, spoke out against Israel that might help pull USA support for the genocide regime. You see plenty of non Jewish communities doing this. Why don't they disassociate themselves from the killing spree. The IRA is a poor example, they were the defenders against an invading force. I'm no IRA supporter but its totally different.

    And as a bye the way, being a large collection of individuals who have their own minds, if you look you will find examples of individual British Jews who object to the actions of the current Israeli government.

    Relatively speaking Jews are a small religion, 15million with half in Israel, I've read 400k in the UK but that could be wrong. Still not small numbers in their own right. So when was the last "Jews against the Genocide" march in the UK, surely out of 400k people they could get 100 or so out ? From the outside it looks like there's a disproportion number that stay silent hinting at support for Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Body of Ran Gvili retrieved. 2nd phase of ceasefire should begin now and Rafah crossing should be opened immediately.

    The Israeli military says it has retrieved the body of the last hostage in Gaza, paving the way for the next phase of US President Donald Trump's peace plan to get under way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    "not allowing them to land" … seems fairly clear to me. The first choice obviously should be tow the boats to their ports of origin.

    As to why white South Africans might seek to leave, it might have something to do with that dysfunctional hellhole being only a few steps away from a genocide of its own. Seems like South Africa should look a little closer to home if it has a "legal duty to prevent genocide"

    And since Nigerian Christians were mentioned:

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