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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    So, hang on and let me get this straight.

    Renee Good dropped her kid off to school, was in the middle of doing a U-turn to go home, got some lip off of an ICE agent and gave some lip back (her last words were "I'm not angry at you"), another ICE agent got all Rambo, she got afraid and tried to drive off and got murdered.

    This lad tonight, attended a protest, was strapping (in an open carry state), got disarmed and then had 10 shots fired into him while he was subdued on the ground.

    …and there are people on here trying their best to, somehow, legitimise this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,178 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Yes, there is a video with a couple of pauses to show one of the Schutzstaffel exiting stage right with the victims gun before any shooting started. So yes, it would appear that the victim was very much unarmed and subdued before being executed. I've seen four different videos; and none of them looks remotely good for ICE, like that'll amount to squat anyway since the MAGA sorts are already rolling with the "he had a gun" angle. I imagine that the 2nd amemndment folks are doing contortions previously thought impossible for the human body to perform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    This is exactly what I am talking about. I am fully sure you both hold the opinion that these ICE agents are badly trained, trigger happy, etc., but at the same time believe that they should behave like they are rational and well-trained when if in the middle of an altercation, a concealed gun is found on a person.

    Being right is irrelevant when you are dead. The reality is these situations are dangerous and are made worse by bringing weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Shot at least ten times, too, just to make sure he was extra, extra dead.

    Two American citizens slaughtered by ICE in two weeks without proper cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Hang on a second…. I'm only asking if he was armed or unarmed when he was shot and killed.

    There's a massive difference shooting an armed suspect (I assume he was suspected of something to warrant ICE intervening) and an unarmed suspect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    And you still have people on here that will either defend it or blame the victim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,178 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    MN is a conceal-carry state if I am not mistaken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,882 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    OK listen up, and stop the nonsense.

    One of the pillars of Republican election campaigns for years now, and in MAGA campaigns in particular, is the protection of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.

    That being - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Minnesota is what is called a "concealed carry" State, with a ,"shall issue" policy to all qualifying applicants being the default.

    Mr. Pretti was exercising his rights under the 1st Amendment, ie, to assemble, bear witness and freely express, and the 2nd Amendment, to carry a personal firearm.

    It is now clear that some of these so-called agents tackled him, assaulted him, frisked him on the ground and removed his permitted weapon BEFORE opening fire and firing about 10 shots.

    He was acting under 1st and 2nd Amendment protections, so beloved by conservatives all over America, and they murdered him.

    Murdered. Him. In. Cold. Blood.

    And now the dice will fall how they may.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Apparently now you're not supposed to excise your 2nd amendment rights where ICE are murdering civilians.
    I'm waiting for a decent reporter to ask the NRA for a comment….
    There's a certain way that question can be framed to make them sweat with their answer!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    A badly-trained ICE agent in the middle of an altercation is less likely to understand that the weapon has been removed and the danger removed. These guys are trigger happy clearly and if they see a gun, it's more likely to go badly because they equate weapon with intent.

    We don't live in a perfect knowledge world where every ICE agent present knows exactly when the gun has been removed and the threat neutralised and they automatically stop what they are doing.

    Yes, it's a concealed carry state. I am not American but my view of these things is that the idea of concealed carry is probably not that you bring your weapon while protesting against government agents. I assume the concealed carry law's intent is more about normal daily life. And yes, I know it is legal to bring it to a protest. You all don't need to try and educate me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Stop. Just stop.

    Nobody needs to fire nearly a whole clip of a glock into somebody after they have been subdued and disarmed by overwhelming numbers no matter how "badly trained" they are.

    It's a clear cut case of murder no matter what excuses are made.

    There is no justifying these murders, try as hard as some people will.

    These are murders plain and simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Have you any evidence he was protesting? Does that mean that under certain circumstances American's should not exercise their rights under their constitution for fear of death? Christ, add in the right to peaceful protest and ya right on the track to a dark place.
    Was the victim trained in de-escalation? Is that a requirement for Americans or maybe just Americans who want to exercise their 2nd amendment right? Wouldn't it be easier if law officials where trained in de-escalation instead?
    Why should an innocent victim die simply because an ICE agent was badly trained? Is that not a bad precedent to set? Shouldn't those entrusted to enforce laws be held to a higher standard than innocent passerbys?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If they're badly trained, they shouldn't be serving to start with. If you're a doofus who heard a recruitment ad on your free Spotify, you probably shouldn't be given a gun and federal immunity mere weeks later. That's far more than you should be allowed handle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I said he was murdered on the last page.

    But I will stop since this is far too grey for most people here. Much easier for you to all agree that they are behaving like the Gestapo and then all agree in shock that they behaved like the Gestapo and then learn absolutely nothing about how to deal with the Gestapo or how to reduce the risk of being killed by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    All the Rittenhouse's are getting geared up... Rendering public service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-second-amendment.html

    I can't read as is is subscription it but I think it is the NRA's response (think they may be annoyed at the gun angle ,according to CNN anyway)

    Here is the beginning (the whole article should be viewable)

    "Some high-profile gun rights activists and groups bristled on Saturday at government officials’ claims that federal agents may have been justified in killing a Minneapolis man during a protest because he was carrying a pistol.

    The right to bear arms in public has been a mainstay of the gun rights movement.

    On Saturday, a Los Angeles federal"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭Maxface


    The guy was filming the protests, stops to help a girl who was pushed, gets pepper sprayed, knocked to the ground, his gun that was holstered and attached to his belt at the rear was removed, he was then shot 11 times. I can't see any justification for his murder in that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The National Rifle Association referred to federal agents as “jackbooted government thugs” in a 1995 mailer

    . But in a statement Saturday night, the N.R.A. put blame for the shooting on Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota and other “radical progressive politicians.” It said their “calls to dangerously interject oneself into legitimate law-enforcement activities have ended in violence.”

    The NRA only care about gun rights when it's the right people with the guns. They weren't fans of the Black Panthers either. Bunch of fkn hypocrites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The murder does seem something of a major turning point. The MAGA crowd and their government appear to be saying that the Second Amendment is now meaningless and any US citizen who has a concealed gun in their possession, even legally, is fair game to be gunned down on the street by the state. Also, there will be no consequences whatsoever for agents of the state carrying out such killings, they have full permission to do so. This raises profound questions for American society going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Nice video on the killing of Alex Pretti.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    That would be unlikely.

    They can’t blame the left if they shoot a redneck.

    Post edited by Frank Bullitt on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Also, the point of this seems to be to prepare the ground to use the insurrection act or executive order or something in lead up to midterms in November to have the army go into certain areas (Democrat areas, obviously) to "protect" the election. They won't need to do that in Republican areas...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The point is he's letting a lot less in. You mention murders by ICE. What about murders from illegals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    And that's why I always said I'd vote democrat last election. You don't need to tell me trump is worse for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Mother of Lord, are you actually using a whataboutery for the 2 murders by ICE?

    That’s sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Caustic


    DOC also pointed out U.S. Department of Homeland Security Kristi Noem’s presser on Saturday, and said Noem claimed the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) investigators would not be allowed to investigate the shooting because the state “refuses to cooperate with ICE.”

    DOC said this statement is false, and that the DOC does cooperate with ICE to “facilitate custody transfers for individuals subject to federal detainers.”

    So the person claiming on thread the reason from all the unrest is due to a lack of cooperation, is a liar or falling from propaganda but it's hardly surprising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,800 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So even the NRA is annoyed at the narrative he was "armed".

    This is an interesting twist in the tale. It'd be so comically American if THIS leads to changes to the 2nd amendment. Not all the school shootings but the feral goons roaming around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    I wonder how many of those arrested by ICE have passed away - that we know of- and with no public around to video it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    US Treasury Secretary calls Alberta a natural partner of the United States.

    A spokesman for Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said in a statement to the BBC that the province supports new pipelines "west, east, north, and south, and we will continue to work with our US partners on building more pipeline capacity to US markets".

    "But the premier also believes the overwhelming majority of Albertans are not interested in becoming a US state".

    Comes as separatists trying to meet deadline for minimum number of signatures for referendum to be triggered. MAGA have ties to some of the separatists partly because of oil.



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