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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    It does seem that the simplest way to stop a nuclear power invading your country you need to become one? Saddam didn't have any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,125 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    True - but you have to be able to make them in secret, -or you'll likely be invaded then , miniaturise it , and come up with a decent delivery system ,

    And if you're too good at the development in secrecy ,- your enemy is likely to think you're bluffing when you announce you have bomb + delivery system ..

    Or have powerful allies , to shield you as you develop one -

    Apparently the swiss did this in complete secrecy over decades, just never assembled it , and then canceled the project ..

    The south africans did too ,

    The israelis will neither confirm nor deny it ..

    But even then , at what point would you actually use a nuclear weapon, especially against another nuclear power ? When they first threaten invasion? , when they first cross your border - when they capture a province or 2 ?, when they threaten your capital ,? when defeat is inevitable or imminent?

    And your opponent is likely to respond by nuking your cities and your people..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭wassie


    MAD stuff really 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,492 ✭✭✭zg3409




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Ms Petrenko believes Russian authorities think her husband’s Russian citizenship supersedes his Irish one

    It does. The Irish government has no jurisdiction over a Russian citizen in Russia, regardless of whatever other passports he holds. I'd say her best chance of seeing him again now would be for her to return to Ukraine and wait to meet him on the frontline somewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Good questions but neither Switzerland, South Africa or Israel and Pakistan have been invaded. I guess you need to develop it in secret but once you have the capability do a test to show your enemies. Then you have the threat in being. I am sure some European and other medium power nations are developing them now. Poland, Germany and even Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I personally know several Russian people (mainly parents of kids in my kids' school) and they do not return to Russia for visits ever.

    They meet their parents (or the kids' grandparents) only in 3rd countries, such as Egypt, Turkey etc. during the holidays.

    It's easy to be wise in hindsight, but even without the messages on his phone, surely there's a risk of any Russian citizen in Russia being picked up and sent to the frontlines ?

    I don't mean to be insensitive, I fully understand that the guy will want to visit his parents, his friends, his hometown etc..

    He is now in the situation where he has broken Russian laws in Russia. We might not agree with or understand those laws, but they are currently the laws of Russia… I'm not sure what the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs can do really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,598 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Not everyone's parents in Russia would be in a financial position to travel abroad for a number of weeks. Also as parents get older, they're not going to be able to travel. They might be in a home or have dementia, or one of many other health issues that prevent them from traveling. I doubt if he was taking the risk to see friends or the home place; the article said parents. But I fully understand if he was prepared to take his chances to see his parents. It's a tough ask to accept that you might never see your parents alive again. Unless he had kids of his own and then you'd have to prioritise their needs over your own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    He's not that old that they'd be at risk of imminent death from old age?? If they were dying of illness I'm sure the news reports would have gone with that in their coverage. If they're poor, surely he could've bought their flights for them to a neighbouring country like Kazakhstan? There's always a way - it's unlikely a case of "go to Russia or never see your parents again". I think the point being made is a fair one - who in their right mind would risk going back? That's leaving aside the fact that he clearly hates the regime there. Madness. I'm not even risking going to the States under Trump in case they have a browse through my Boards.ie posting history… (Hi Donald, ya big orange gobs**te 😁)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭wassie


    "I think we've got it down to one issue and we have discussed iterations of that issue, and that means it's solvable," Witkoff said ahead of his trip to Moscow for talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g44r22j5jo

    It always about one issue.

    Land.

    But its a BIG fkn issue…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,962 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Zelensky going ham on Davos, here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Strong and tough speech at Davos from Zelensky. Livestream.

    Accuses some companies of selling weapons components to Russia. This is true.

    Last year representatives of Texas Instruments and Analogue Devices were questioned by the Congressional Committees. They claimed they abide by the sanctions. But 20,000 parts made by these companies have been found in spent Russian drones and missiles in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    President Zelensky made a ferocious and articulate attack on Europe. No mention of the US's failure to adequately support Ukraine. It must be incredibly difficult for him as pressure to make a deal increases with Trump being so incredibly unpredictable. He sounded like a very exasperated leader imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,175 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It depends on who wins the war. The Russians committed countless war crimes during WW2 but because they were on the winning side, suffered no consequences.

    Most war crimes go unpunished.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Made the point that the Ukrainian army is capable of operating in Greenland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I see that signing on to fight for Putin is going to pay less. Bonuses are to be cut as the money is running out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    He's a Russian arrested in russia. Not sure why it's being talked about so much. Our government hands out citizenship like candy. He's not Irish.

    Hopefully the arrest encourages less Russians to return home because that ultimately harms their economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'm not interested in arguing semantics around nationality or the requirements for citizenship. The points made were quite clear. He's an Irish passport holder. It's being talked about for that reason only. There have been plenty of stories over the past few years of people being similarly detained in Russia on the flimsiest of excuses. Pretty much like is happening in the US too now ironically.

    But yes, hopefully more and more people, Russian ex-pats included, accept the regime there for what it is and see that the best thing they can do for themselves and their families is to support anyone working to bring it down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    There's no semantics to be argued. When you hold dual/multiple citizenship, all the "others" lose all their relevance when you're the home territory of the one granted by that territory. When he's in Ireland, the Russian's have no say in what the Irish authorities do to him; when he's in Russia, the Russians can do what they like and his Irish passport has absolutely no value whatsoever.

    It's only when travelling in third countries that you can exploit one citizenship over another. If the guy's been living in Ireland for 20 years, there's little excuse for him not to know that his mother country is desperate for meat for the grinder, and he's a prime cut. Sounds like both he and his wife are/were very naïve. Unfortunately for them, that's not something the Irish government can do much about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Ukraine the major consumer of Russian fossil fuels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Witkoff and Kushner in Moscow.


    Back to waking in the morning to Trump blaming Zelensky.


    Zzzzzzzzzz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭somenergy


    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1QiBo6LNSb/

    This irish journalist makes some effort to get a Russian asset to answer to a simple question i think we all know the answer he runs away with probably Russian protection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Was thinking about this last night. Would a stockpile of 450 be sufficient a number to overwhelm Russian AD around the Kremlin if they were all fired at once / extremely close together?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Agree with you on all points, but I was referencing semantics around nationality rather than citizenship. Which is irrelevant to the issue IMO. It's a bit like the usual suspects who point to the likes of Ogbene for the national team and say "he's not Irish".

    But yes, agree with your summary of the workings around dual passports and as per my last post, cannot fathom why he'd have gone back to Russia, especially with all the 'baggage' he was carrying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That was a minimum number, they announced the intention to significantly increase production by Dec. I would say a far smaller number could do that job, but that is unlikely a priority target, given the possible escalation in response.

    If they do have these sorts of numbers, I hope they use them soon, because Kyiv is in a very bad way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Maybe they don't want to use them due to the ongoing "peace talks" ?

    Although, that didn't ever stop the Russians.

    Maybe demonstration of capabilities of Flamingo might help nudge Putin into making a deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    That's the kind of thing I was thinking of: Blow the ever-loving shite out of the Kremlin in the days before the talks. Drag Putin to the table when he's weak at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Travelled on an Russian passport & Russia doesn't recognise dual citizenship, which means he certainly couldn't use an Irish passport unless his Russian citizenship was cancelled beforehand.

    He shouldn't have gone back & Ireland can't really make a serious fuss as he used a Russian passport to return there. His best hope is that is he gets expelled & citizenship cancelled. He will probably be sent the special military operation before that happens.

    They would have had him under suspicion anyway as his wife is Ukrainian.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    A military court in Moscow has sentenced a Ukrainian commander to life imprisonment in absentia for sinking the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the missile-carrying cruiser Moscow.
    In an official press release, which was later deleted, the court admitted that the ship had been destroyed by a missile attack by Ukraine. The Slovak news agency TASR reported on this by picking up a news item from the Russian portal Mediazona.

    The Military Court for Moscow's Western 2nd District announced on Thursday (January 22) that 20 sailors were killed and 24 others suffered various injuries in a Ukrainian missile attack that took place on April 14, 2022 in the Black Sea, Mediazona reported.

    The court found the commander of the 406th Artillery Brigade of the Ukrainian Navy, Andriy Shubin, guilty in the absence of international terrorism related to the sinking of the cruiser Moscow and attacking the frigate Admiral Essen.

    At the same time, he decided to impose a financial penalty on the convicted Ukrainian officer in the amount of 2.2 billion rubles. According to the court, "the ships carried out humanitarian missions in the neutral waters of the Black Sea," Mediazona reported.

    This is a significant departure from the Kremlin's long-standing official version. The Russian Defense Ministry has so far claimed that the cruiser Moscow sank in choppy waves while heading to the port for repairs after a fire caused by the explosion of an onboard ammunition. Ukraine, on the other hand, claimed to have used two Neptune anti-ship missiles to destroy the cruiser.

    This made me laugh and smile. The truth will out.



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