North Korea General Discussion.

All guesswork.

For example, this is the last executive ruler of England about whom can be said - WAS the actual ruler of England (with close to certainty).

After Charles the firsts beheading in 1649 by the new kids on the block (the mercantilist / capitalist class) that seized power from the monarchists, who knows?

20, 50, 250?

The English civil war was fought to establish a new model of power ie. sharing or distributing power among more than one person (that used to be the king or queen).

That model hasn't changed to this day. And thats what corporations are about.

Poster can't have visited China.

Though i do like the idea that a bunch of North Koreans stood around and exclaimed out loud that a dullard like Kim Jong Un should be elected leader because they know him and understand his abilities.

Compare and contrast with the south. In 1953 both north and south were in ruins and dirt poor. The south now has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Handwave that away…

Your posts about North Korea are pure comedy gold. Keep the bullsh1t coming, it's truly a great laugh 😃

You think the Daily Mail depiction of N.Korea is the correct one? 😁

Madeline Pendleton is just a normal Western citizen like you or I, but has a genuine interest in N.Korea. Here is part of the Untrustworthy Sources section from her source investigations of similar UN & HRW human rights reports about NK :

6. Andrei Lankov
Director at NK News

7. The UN OHCHR Report (https://docs.un.org/en/a/hrc/25/crp.1 )
Cites Andrei Lankov 27 times
Cites NKNews 4 times
Cites Daily NK 12 times
Cites 38 North 1 time
Cites Radio Free Asia 3 times

8. Human Rights Watch: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/north-korea
Cites that UN OHCHR report that cites Andrei Lankov, NK News, Daily NK, and 38 North
Cites Daily NK directly (https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korea-sets-up-strict-security-zones-sino-north-korean-border/#google_vignette)
Cites Radio Free Asia Directly (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/escape-05222020185630.html)

9. Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/ASA2478492024ENGLISH.pdf
Cites NKNews, Daily NK, and Radio Free Asia

These organisations all reference bogus CIA cut-outs in a closed circular fashion.
Or put another way – all information in these types of reports about NK ‘Human Rights’ TM ultimately originates from the US government. Or, in other words-

All CIA war-propaganda.
All bogus crap.

Stop with the lies. Enough

Deleted- I misread the post.
On reading it correctly, the libertarian social darwinism within it is even worse.

I saw that you lived in China.

In the provincial city you lived in, were the homeless sleeping rough on the streets?
Or were they in some kind of accommodation?

I later remembered that the policy in China, if someone can’t make it in the big cities (ie. unemployed after a certain number of months) is to return them to the city or area they were born in (the logic being that their family or community has a better chance of looking after them than them spiraling downwards in an anonymous city). So my question to Mother Shaboobu was not easy to answer.

But, if I gave the impression that I was saying everything in China (or NK for that matter) is hunky dory – that would be an incorrect assumption. One of the reasons for this is because this is mostly a short response medium – almost nobody reads posts beyond a certain length.
And who is going to read a 250,000 word preamble on a boards thread to pre-empt all conceivable misinterpretations.

Bear in mind, the starting point to most Western / Irish discussions on N. Korea is a Daily Mail or BBC type report that Kim Jong Un personally killed someone who fell asleep at one of his meetings with a 0.5 inch calibre machine-gun, publicly in a stadium. That is the starting point, remember.

Just to answer your assertion (re:Chinese homelessness) that I don’t live in the real world, or whatever – we’re back to statistics; which as the axiom says – you can use statistics to demonstrate anything you want.

As you know, China eliminated extreme poverty (by their very high threshold) in 2020 after a 40 year program. That means in 2017,2018 & 2019 there were 80 million, 40 million & 20 million living in appalling poverty in China (figures for sake of argument).

Anyone could legitimately come on here or any platform back in 2018 and show photos & video of medieval, miserable conditions of living and say look at that. Communism doesn’t work. Xi is a tyrant etc.

Then 3 years later, all that extreme poverty is gone.

So, all I’m saying is- its hugely complicated.
But the overall trajectory is what people have to be honest about.

And there we have it folks, in all of it’s glory.

Even after sharing personal anicdotes about how it actually is there, we see a position that retreats right back to the comfort of state-authored «statistics» about China eleminating extreme poverty and the notion that the world at large is just out to get them and the North Koreans. Further proof that it is the world around them at fault, and not something personal to reflect upon.

I should be angry or offended that the poster took what I shared from my in-person experiences in China and tried to compare it to dubious government-curated statistics…but as I’ve said a few times, I know the mentality employed by KFA members; I am not surprised, nor do I expect to convert any of them. That is a journey they must choose to take on their own.

What I wanted to explore and show everyone, is how people who willinging support North Korea like this think. And in a very disappointing way, I think we have gotten to see it in full regalia here. Never mind the poor frozen souls I alluded to in my post…a glorious «communist» state wants to tell you how awesome it is.