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North Korea General Discussion.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    The public in each constituency decide!
    For example any wanna be exploiters, ie. the pro-capitalist restoration crowd, can put forward their 2cents at these local peoples assembly. You can imagine how such individual's input would go down. They have to deceive about their preferred candidate / system – they can’t be honest and say for example

    I want a society where workers have to urinate in a bottle because they can’t take breaks, in a warehouse job because they have to deliver robot-level productivity per hour. I want 8 year old Congolese children digging cobalt with their bare hands for 16 hours a day to make my iPhone.

    That kind of proposal generally doesn’t go down too well in an almost entirely class-conscious populace who’s history under Korean feudalism and then Japanese feudal/capitalist/imperialism was as intensively horrific for 50 years until 1953 as 1845-1849 was for Ireland.

    I believe Korean’s have a restrained, polite culture. So I imagine such voices are listened to and then the majority view over-rides such minority views.
    I have some progressive info about NK which I will add later.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    If you think the USA has nothing to do with N.Korea or the division of Korea, I am quite happy to leave it there.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭csirl


    There's good reason that functioning democracies have secret ballots as opposed to open discussions on front of local officials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    It may sound below like I’m trying to paint NK as a socialist utopia. Far from it. This is just basic progressive stuff that I picked out from available online information (that someone here correctly pointed out is available to everyone, thanks to the internet).

    Income Tax abolished in 1974

    Free housing – I am bored (in the best sense) from all the weekly photographs online of new housing given mortgage-free and rent-free to citizens – every week there are multi-photo-sets of 10 – 20 new housing estates (that is hush hush information on Western trusted media; for class-conscious / national security reasons)

    a free ration of a slab of Korean beer for every citizen per month (their drinking culture is similar to here)

    There’s no mortgages, no concept of “insurance” and food / utilities are token cost

    therefore the wages citizens earn at their jobs are mostly for luxuries, hobby spending eg. spirits, more alcohol above the free ration, hi-tech media equipment, fashion - whatever one’s interests are.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Continued… To give an example of Kim Il Sung’s progressive, holistic, humanistic outlook on society – he wanted everyone to be having a regular healthy sex life from mid-teens onwards
    (I can be certain without researching that he forbade the feudal practice of child-brides immediately on gaining power in 1945).

    Now that’s humanistic Korean socialism for you!

    In our primitive class-based society, the ruling class couldn’t care less about you having a full sex life. They only want you in the factory or office at 9am for 50 years or fighting in trenches for their profit line.

    In this society, the good looking & those with full social skills have a full sex life from 17~

    But those -

    • who are not physically desired,
    • have psychological trauma from their childhood rearing or
    • who have a host of of other medical/physical/social issues

    do not have a regular sex life in this society ie. they miss out on years or decades of regular sex.
    So did the people crying (especially men) when Kim Il Sung died in 1994, make more sense now?

    I think the DPRK has a progressive, equal society figured out without ‘outside help’.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I'm having flashbacks to "I'm alright Jack", and Fred Kit (Peter Sellars) talking about the idyllic life of people in the socialist paradise of the Soviet Union.

    It's amazing how relevant the old cinema classics remain, as illustrated beautifully by this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    We’re getting our money’s worth of KFA messaging today, aren’t we?

    The Sex one was interesting; I must amend my list of «Reasons for KFA membership» to include that one. Christ on a bike…that one is fun :)

    Sorry to pop the wheel on the DPRK Party Bus, but it’s that time again where the cold light of reality comes bursting through the window.

    Here’s the thing: If anyone were to write «Kim Jon Un is wrong» and then peacefully hold up that sign in downtown Pyongyang, can anyone guess what would happen? Most of you are guessing right, while at least one person is angrily queueing up sentences featuring firey references to CIA / NSA / YMCA propaganda.

    Yes, that hypothetical person is essentially toast, because in a single party totalitarian state ruled by one family, you have the freedom to do anything you like….so long as what you like is what he likes….

    Now I give you back to your regularly scheduled KNCA messaging where the warm yellow liquid drizzling down upon you shall be redefined as «rain»



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭csirl


    What hobbies are popular in DPRK? You say they've loads of disposable income, but they dont seem to be involved in the more expensive hobbies that such people often take up e.g. motor racing, ski holidays, cruises on the QE2, golf, equestrian stuff etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    What do you think of my characterisation of actually-existing Irish sex life culture? (ie. the description that includes everyone)

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Trying my best not be too crass about it…but as a bizarre looking Irish Boardsie who has a host of personal & physical eccentricities; I appear to possess an active sex life. Seems odd, it’s almost as if your model is pretty nonsensical and feels like it comes from a position of frustration.

    You have to be at least a little social to be in with a shot with getting with anyone. That’s a universal rule beyond arranged marriages, and it’s a rule that includes North Korea. A state not vilifying sex is always a good thing, but don’t come on here and give the impression that Kim Il Sung made it so that all the young North Korean men got to get their extremities wet thanks to his personal mandate. Even in a totalitarian regime, you got to ask the girl out.

    Unless of course…you like the idea of a system where a woman’s agency in this doesn’t matter, and that no matter what…you will get some…because Kim said so. Surely this isn’t what you mean?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    I wasn't asking about your situation.
    I was asking about all adults - the full statistical population experience.

    Was mine an accurate description?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I know you weren’t asking about me, I was using myself as an example to rubbish your silly inaccurate description.

    Plenty of people in Ireland in all manner of shapes and sizes find each other. Is it EASY? No, for crying out loud that’s one of those things in life. You have to do a bit of the work needed to get there, and even then you won’t get lucky right away.

    I know what you are getting at, you are going to suggest that North Korea has a society where pretty much everyone gets laid and try to compare that to here in the Western World where the chances are nowhere near as high. Do you know whay that is? It is because in Western World…women have agency. In North Korea…they do not.

    Sure, dejure women have equal rights there, but in practice they are pideon-holed to societally expected roles that pretty much limits their prospects in life to getting married while still young and having kids. Marriage is almost guaranteed, so if you are a single young lad in North Korea don’t you worry…eventually one of the girls will have to marry you.

    That’s not something to lionise, and just goes further to show the moral bankruptsy needed to support North Korea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Do you know whay that is? It is because in Western World…women have agency. In North Korea…they do not.

    I’ll get to the rest of this post later but this part stood out.

    So are you saying that you believe that now January 2026, if a young North Korean man makes known his attraction to a young woman – she must submit to his sexual advances even if they are depraved advances, because she has no agency in that situation?

    Are you absolutely sure about that?

    Sounds like Orientalism to me!

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    My…my…pulling out a form of the racism card are we? Poor show, especially when start to consider South Korea and the amount of agency women have there. By that I mean they have agency in their romantic lives, compared what women in the North have to put up with.

    You know the more you dig on this the bigger the hole gets. We now have a growing and interesting new perspective as to why a Westerner might be so into North Korea. Can’t say I’m too suprised..because when you get down to it, it’s a fairly motivating factor for many people out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Orientalism exposed. Not a good look.

    And explains much, if not all, of your perspective on the DPRK.

    Post edited by Lucien_Sarti on

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Do you have any idea how hilariously funny your posts are? I know you probably think you're posting extremely serious stuff. But it's comedy gold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    What's the funniest thing I've said (re: N.Korea)?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Life expectancy in NK is 74 years, it's 84.5 years in Australia. Hilarious if you are N Korean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    India's is currently 67.74 years. Whats your point?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Huh?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,706 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Yes, its 72.48 on another check. Lower than DPRK. Still not seeing yer mans point above.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭csirl


    Why is DPRK very bad at sport? Are they just not into it? They do awful in Olympics, World Cups and various World Championships in different sports.

    Their neighbours - RoK and China - do well in some sports and have their sports stars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    There’s also good reasons why having an open, lengthy discussion & analysis of each candidate’s abilities where say 30 people each have a jigsaw piece of knowledge of someone’s past behaviour & can share that with the group.

    You can see the same dynamic on social media or here- take some nationally known figure who you think is fine ( because you know nothing about them); but 5 or 10 people have information that that individual has past convictions for beating their spouse, being involved in corruption or just being a waste of space, it could be any unit of information.

    I think sharing all available knowledge then selecting the candidate is better for electing people than lower information or random guesswork by each individual atomised voter.

    Expensive hobbies - Don’t know much about hobbies – they have golf courses, ski resorts & plenty of big leisure & aquatic centres. I imagine people don’t buy their own yachts & jetski’s but ride them at resorts.
    Sports – They have won the FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup three times, in 2006, 2016 and 2024 and the U17 World Cup in November 2025. Like any medium sized country - some successes.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    To zoom out a bit from the fun of it all Enduro, let’s consider again the entire phenomenon of Westerners supporting North Korea. I’ve mentioned earlier in thread some potential motivations as to why would encounter someone who would so full-throutedly repeat Pyongyang’s talking points and propaganda, despite being born into and experiencing a liberal democracy.

    I mentioned that the motivations could be various, and on reflection and based on what we are experiencing here I’m leaning to the idea that Western North Korea supporters may be looking for an outlet for their frustrations in life. We all get frustrated from time to time, it sort of comes with life, and part of adult living is trying to cope with those disappoints and then try to move on. But what if there was a way to absolve yourself of that?

    What if…you could blame the world itself…and not put the effort in the move on. What if…you could point to a «better» world and use that one as proof that it is the world that is wrong…and not you? Tempting isn’t it? I believe this is what North Korea supporters do. They point to North Korea, laud their «amazing» «achievements» and declare the remaining world is at fault. They will bring forward declarations and statistics about North Korea to back up that position, which works perfectly in their minds because there is no way to verify if that information is even fact. North Korea is a closed system, where independent external verification isn’t possible. So the «facts» must be true…if North Korea say so :P

    But really it’s just a patch to convince themselves that they are not at fault…it is the world…and North Korea are there to provide reassurance to that idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    My own guess is that this is due to North Korea being such a closed country compared to China or South Korea. Although I’m certain North Korea actually has athletes you could potentially do well in some sports, they have little to no experience in international competition beyond some of the bigger tournaments.

    My suspicion is that the more open exchange of sporting people that you would see from the likes of China or South Korea just doesn’t happen with North Korea, since the state tightly controls who may or may not leave. I feel that this hurts their chances on the international stage, despite a desire to do well there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Looks like Kim's got the incel vote sewn up though!

    Just when you think a thread on Boards can't get any more bizarre…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    This sparkling analysis puts Carl Jung in the ha-penny place!
    Sadly, it is inaccurate. No personal frustrations here – no, its the present state of things that is the problem.

    The US ruling class has selected China & NK as No.1 & No.2 targets for 90%+ of its global anti-communist propaganda effort. Which is mostly why threads like this exist and why its not a thread about Paraguay’s political model for example.

    The PR against China has become anachronistic. Around 100 million tourists, students & visa workers visit it each year. Its lead in advanced science, industry & infrastructure is so undeniable that the CIA / BBC narrative on it just looks like stale, rancid propaganda from 2 centuries ago to more & more people. Which leaves No.2 N.Korea.

    Here’s a few hints about what it is about-
    the existence of war as a concept at all, let alone non-stop wars and coups / death squads etc
    the existence of famines as a concept and who actually uses them as an economic tool

    There are homeless people in Irish streets since forever- same with nearly all rich countries. That is not the failing of those individuals, it is a necessary daily warning that accompanies the carrot (wages) & stick (prison) system to be an obedient, unquestioning little worker …… homeless existing is also proof that those at the top of the power structure are anti-human psychopaths (I think of them as a different species even though they are the same species).

    Congolese children digging cobalt with bare hands – representing all the sadism & exploitation of the Global South.
    Etc.


    That is what my interest in socialism (not just NK) is about.
    Some people view the above chaos as nothing to do with them, or dissociate from it.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    See what I mean? The whole world is at fault, and we even get a list.

    Oh and just as an aside…I actually lived in China for a spell…and the place is by far the most capitalist counties I’ve ever been to. Sure, there’s a «Communist» Party…but that’s where the association abruptly ends. If you don’t have money there…you are screwed.



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