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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Thought that might happen (bond markets). Good stuff. The whole Greenland thing could be over very soon.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “If this can be avoided by pandering to the orange tapeworm with some cheap words, it makes sense to do so.”

    Hold on- you can’t “pander” with words- strength and resilience is all that Trump understands - we pandered last year- we had to do that - it didnt work - we’re now moving to plan B.

    Although considering some of the pathetic private communications trump has released from some European countries, it certainly sounds like we’re still in “pandering” mode - this has to stop too. We need one consistent message all round



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭thamus doku




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I'm sure he does mean it. And as I think has been noted by this point, what he says and what actually happens are not necessarily the same thing. Sometimes because he changes his mind or, in this case, because the people who would actually do it are correctly telling him they won't.

    What he's saying is an international relations embarrassment, causing people to expend all sorts of efforts at damage control at lower levels. I'm sure these congressfolk had better things to do with their time this week.

    https://www.npr.org/2026/01/19/g-s1-106427/congress-bipartisan-denmark-greenland

    However, the lower level folks are doing their jobs. Does anyone really ever pay attention to the US Ambassador to Ireland? For as long as I can remember, the primary qualifications are either being personal friends to the President, or being rich enough to be able to donate to the President's election campaign and the posting is a reward. They get to make the public statements, go to and host the parties…. whilst everyone who wants to get any work done instead goes to the Charge d'Affairs/Deputy Ambassador who is actually a professional. This is why the US is still conducting NATO exercises or why European militaries are still buying US equipment. They all know that this period of Trump presidency will be over eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    it’s not a bad question in fairness - I’m not sure we’ll know the answer this side of the presidency - it would probably be more reassuring that he’s “lost the plot”- if MAGA don’t think they can control him then they’ll dump him- but even that’s a long way off right now- all of this is international affairs - only thing Americans really care about is their own economy and that includes Democrats - as long as the dollars keep flowing they won’t care too much what he does internationally



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,543 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Meanwhile, the grift continues.

    According to the NYT..

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    Apparently, there are to be no ramifications whatsoever to this!?!

    How f**king low the standards are now.

    He can absolutely do whatever the f**k he wants and *crickets*.

    There's absolutely no checks or balances.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Hes gone down in mine. Waffling with Shapiro on his podcast, agreeing on Israeli actions. Making stupid memes and videos. Absolutely useless. The last thing we need is him as a follow up. Just more of the same shìte.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Sometimes I think Chamberlain may have gotten the short end of the stick and a bit of a bad rep as a result. Regardless of whether he thought appeasement would prevent war or not, he had to act as if it would, simply because there were no other options. Behind the scenes, the British military was undergoing a massive re-armament program because at the time, the British realised they simply couldn't choose 'war' at that time. They had squandered the years of peace (Which also sounds familiar to recent ears) and let the military atrophy. If Chamberlain had truly believed the Munich agreement would prevent war, I doubt he would have allowed as many Pounds to go into the military as he did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    It seem a fairly well established routine that coming up to the closing bell there's a TTT (Trump Toilet Tweet) that sends shockwaves and ripples everywhere over the weekend, and then over the following week there's the TACO, the USD recovers a bit and some people make a lot of money.

    However the overall effect of this repeating chaos is reducing exposure to the USD. Usually there's a flight to gold, and other safe havens when markets tank, but most US indexes are still climbing alongside gold, but not when measured in Euro and other currencies.

    So what we're probably seeing in their indexes is the USD heading home to the US markets. So the US economy can still stagnate while all indexes continue to inflate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Might any of the moves on the bond market being made by actors for political purposes or would it be entirely for financial self interest?

    In the old days we had Kremlinologists scrutinising activity within the secret Soviet world ; is there anything comparable in the world of financial markets or is is all just transparent self interest?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think the answer to whether or not Trump has lost the plot or is being riled up by his own team to foster instability is far more simple; he wants his name etched in history forever. Not just in a "He was President twice" way. He wants to be the President who did something monumental. It's why Greenland is so key (and Canada before it). If he can increase US Territory, that's something which will be mentioned for decades to come, and he will be the one who achieved it. It doesn't actually matter if it's a terrible idea or not, it's a legacy item.

    History won't care if he negotiated a slightly better trade deal. It will if he actually truly negotiated and fostered some key peace agreements (which he knows he hasn't no matter how many wars he claims to have ended by now) or if he gains new US territory.

    It's the ultimate narcissistic dream; to die knowing your name will echo throughout history. Right now the only way his name will be mentioned in 100 years is an answer on a TV game show (which judging by the way the world is going, will be something the contestant will desperately need to answer or they won't be able to afford any food that week).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Macron and Merz should tell him to step aside. Hes pandering to Trump is damaging for Europe and they no longer want him there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There was something I read once about the nazi leadership. They were all incredibly incompetent but somehow stuff got done. That's because everyone in the lower ranks was given the task of implementing what Hitler would want to do. So people lower down the chain would come up with ideas that they thought Hitler would like. The ideas are shunted up the chain and eventually someone says yes and takes credit for it.

    Additionally, the higher ups who had his ear would get their own pet projects green lit so they could "better" their own positions.

    I figure there's something like that here. **** like Greenland is just crazy. But it's the kind of thing that an egotistical person like Trump would like. It would be the biggest land expansion in the history of the US. Denmark is a tiny country with a tiny military. Trump sees it as someone he can bully.

    Someone suggested it to him and he liked the idea. Unless he's given something else to focus on he'll keep going. He'll keep tweeting, keep talking and keep trying to get it.

    The problem is, what's his next interest going to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Actually, ambassadors play an important role. They represent their governments position, and try to further their policies within the country they are based.

    Israel basically recalled their ambassador to Ireland as we as a country did not accept her lies vis a vis the Israeli genocide of Gaza. She represented Israeli policy here, which the country rightly scorned and rejected.

    Previous US ambassadors to Ireland were of course generally held in high regard. The current fellow is probably now viewed with suspicion for attending a far right loony type event, which is of course related to US policy, as stated in their strategy document.

    Look at the damaging behaviour by the former ambassador to Denmark - how that is perceived, and how it reflects on the United States.

    Look at the silly prick who was nominated for the ambassadorial role for Iceland, and then started to joke about being their governor - that didn't go down well, and directly affected the perception of the US in Iceland, who were already jittery owing to US approach to Greenland. There were protests in relation to this and calls to reject his nomination, which they should follow through on.

    Then we have oddballs like Jeff Landry, who is to represent the US in Greenland as a 'special envoy'. He accepted that his mission is to basically further the US stated aim of conquering Greenland. I'd imagine he isn't particularly welcome or well regarded.

    Trump and his administration are destroying their standing in the world, and current US ambassadors further this by promoting the administrations position/ policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No idea to be honest but the bond markets forced him to reverse a lot of the last tariff fiasco.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Jesus 7k replies to that. I can only imagine the drivel that's in there.

    Thing is the EU can really hurt the US but it would also really hurt the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To be fair, I do think he believed that Hitler would honour his word. Of course, he didn't and then proceeded to annex Czechia while establishing a puppet regime in Slovakia. I think that's when the rearmament efforts and spending started to seriously increase. I don't buy the buying time narrative. I think it's a form of whitewashing. He was probably preparing for war while doing everything possible to prevent it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Trump is a 6 time bankrupt, he will look to have these debts written off through pressure, he is already escalating US borrowings, historically its been his way and the US provides him a bigger scale.

    He continues to increase the wealth of Trump Inc.,/family by extracting monies from the Federal Budget, weekly through golf, Merde De Lardo and everything else his family can charge up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Tough love, baby, some EU countries have little sympathy for Ireland and its history on corporate tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Depends.Does anyone take it seriously ?

    Does Trump see through it?

    If he has zero empathy it could mean he doesn't understand when he is being played and may actually respect Rutte for what he genuinely believes is devotion to the leader.

    Or does he see through it and is just playing Rutte...

    This Nobel thing is a window into his mind (or what passes for one) and tends to the evaluation that his comprehension level is practically on the floor.

    A useful idiot... which was always the prediction when he first ran.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭ipitydafool


    Yeah he basically called everyone out for pandering to him. I think he said exactly what needed to be said to European leaders, this diplomacy act hoping to kick the can down the road far enough so he will get a kick in the balls and be reigned in by mid terms doesn't look like it is going to suffice when Trump can wreck all told level of damage before then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Does that necessitate him calling Trump Daddy or explicitly saying hes working on a solution for Greenland. Theres plenty of ways to stay diplomatic without kissing his arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sounds like the madman really is going to try and take Greenland by force.

    The thread points out that these soldiers are trained for arctic warfare and are not suited for the purpose they are supposedly being prepped for. They are, however exactly suited to taking on EU forces in Greenland.

    It's also being mentioned that senior US military leaders are trying to push back against orders to attack NATO allies.

    My goodness are world markets going to tank if Krasnov fires the top brass and keeps drilling down until he finds enough cowards to do his bidding and has his troops kill French and British troops. So many people would kiss their pensions goodby.

    I hope it's all a false alarm, but I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    fair enough. But then it’s not in Irelands interests to assist the EU in dealing with Trump. Not if we are the ones who yet again pay the piper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Now would be a good time to take a little bit of pain and offload about 10% of all European countries American bonds. You'll take a loss but it'll squeeze the life out of the prìck. All of a sudden theres a very real crisis at home and its slow his roll, just like covid did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,337 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I think the next project likely to be suggested/has been hinted at by his secretary Miller, though Canada is better equipped than Greenland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,881 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Funny you should highlight that, the Institute of Strategic Studies have just done likewise

    http://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/six-analytic-blog/2026/01/the-future-of-dollar-dominance/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,881 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm not so sure it would.

    Leaving aside X, which is gone completely rogue, the Metas of the world are looking for stable and predictable growth.

    They may not be thrilled with GDPR, or the DSA, or even a European ban on U16s using socials, but they have no idea when Trump might turn on them in their home market either.

    A market that is much smaller than Europe, by the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “I figure there's something like that here.”

    A long time billionaire friend of many decades I believe is the person who first proposed the idea of Greenland to Tump - conveniently this said person who’s name escapes me, has vast business interests in Denmark and I believe Greenland too



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