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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What does that say about the people that support him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    If anything will make Republicans move, it is polling...

    Despite US President Donald Trump’s insistence on acquiring Greenland, public support for the idea remains low. A Reuters/Ipsos poll of US residents this week showed that fewer than one in five respondents back acquiring Greenland, while a separate CBS poll found that just 14 percent would approve the use of military force to take the island. Instead, many Americans say they want the president to focus on domestic economic pressures, particularly the cost of living. A CNN poll last week found that 58 percent of Americans believe Trump’s first year back in the White House has been a failure, especially on the economy.

    https://www.france24.com/en/trump-s-greenland-ambitions-lack-domestic-support-polls-show

    By all accounts the Republicans are also in trouble for the midterms. Those cowards are more likely to move once their livelihood is directly threatened, and with Trump as a lame duck. That being said, I have a terrible feeling that Trump is simply not going to let go of power... Something terrible is afoot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    He's certainly not a "clown", but IMO he is a go along to get along consensus-building democratic politician, nervous of serious disagreement that just cannot be smoothed over and worked out.

    He is also IMO not the "big picture" or "big ideas" strategic kind of political leader either, and what is going on right now does seem very serious and fundamental.

    edit: Anyway - as others said it doesn't matter that much as this is going to be an EU level thing, and we're unlikely to be crucial to how it plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Throughout the election we did hear from some but they were quickly shot down by the MAGA fanatics or simply ignored - MAGA is a big f-off machine - you would have needed a serious amount of republicans to stop it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I agree with all your points bar 1. He is a clown and can be easily walked over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is your fourth post on the matter and you can't provide any kind of detail about this hypothetical doomsday scenario of yours whatsoever.

    I only have your word for it that he has no backbone. I don't see why you keep pushing this crap here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Democrats have no strong movement within them. They're still relying on a strong anti-Trump vote instead of coming up with a true alternative. They're hoping enough people hate Trump that they'll vote for their staid, centre-right corporatism instead. Hey, it worked for Biden…

    MAGA may be crazy, but it's unified, organised and diligent. Very important traits when it comes be winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,066 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Not sure if this has popped up on the thread already. Incredibly damning and dark testimony relating to Trump and Epstein.

    https://lisevoldeng.substack.com/p/dont-worry-boys-are-hard-to-find



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    So he's worried about russia attacking Greenland but he invites putin to the board of peace. Any journalists.worth their salt should be humiliating him constantly on his hypocritical statements. They ask 1 question and subject changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,655 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly they should have been laying the groundwork for their preferred candidate for the last year. I have an odd feeling that they want Newsom but I think he's very much so the wrong direction for the party. They really need to push the boundaries to somebody who will get people out and voting.

    But realistically, I think the US is gonna see a vastly diminished role in the decades to come. They've got multiple things that they could have led on like moving away from oil and pushing for greener technologies etc. Instead the likes of China has pretty much outpaced them and they're gonna be left behind. Plus global trust in them is pretty much gone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's convention that former Presidents do not criticise a sitting President.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Another thing you can put to Brexit. On your own lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,340 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Treasury Secretary Bessent: Peace through strength. It would be better if we took Greenland now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yeah I suppose his weakness is my problem, so can agree on that. I tend to reserve the term of abuse "clown" for politicians like Trump (!) over ilk of Martin.

    Trump is awful and doing some terrible things (what much of discussion here is about), but a lot of it, like conquering Greenland, is just so idiotic as well and almost seems unreal. It really is Idiocracy come to life, end of the world (as we knew it) for dummies!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭aero2k


    It's generally a good convention too. TBF the poster you quoted acknowledged it, while suggesting that in the current climate we might need to dispense with such niceties. Obama is certainly capable of articulating the situation and suggesting solutions in a way that might rally those democrats who deserted the side last time out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - enough on MM and his backbone please

    @skimpydoo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Trump really seems to have a bee in his bonnet over Greenland at this point. It's far from certain he can be talked down - it already sounds like he has abruptly dismissed any world leaders who tried to talk to him by phone over the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    It's a bit quaint for to follow such conventions and niceties when Trump won't allow himself to be constrained by just about any convention, regulation, or law. He recently said he is only constrained by 'his own morality', which we know is non existent.

    Obama has in fact criticised Trump on more than a few occasions. He directly criticises Trump's 'autocratic tendencies' in the below video, but there are other examples out there.

    Once upon a time these things would have had more impact, but the 'flood the zone' tactics of this administration seems to have led people to have an increasingly short attention span, and they've definitely seemed to lessen the shock people feel at each new development.

    There's a good few examples of other former presidents criticising Trump, and quite a few examples from GW Bush, who at this remove looks like a scholar and a gentleman (though I remember despising him previously).

    [Not the best quality video examples, but good enough to illustrate the point]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    They’re pushing it more . Give it a week or two and the cult will all be on message.

    US takeover of Greenland is 'in Nato's interest' - former US Army general

    The US can do more for Greenlanders' security and prosperity than Denmark can, retired army general Jack Keane tells Fox News.

    He also says a potential US acquisition of Greenland is "in Nato's interest", as the US "can do more" for regional security than Denmark can.

    Keane, who served as vice chief of staff for the US Army from 1999 to 2003, says a plan needs to be formed to the benefit of all involved.

    "We can help the Greenlanders prosper," he says.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    fook announcing everything on twitter or x or whatever. If there’s an important government announcement to be made put it out through a credible press secretary. Individual politicians using it probably have websites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    The problem is that media is increasingly being held in the hands of those with a conservative agenda. More worryingly, large swathes of individuals get their news from social-media. The algorithms are pushing the conservative narrative. The tech tycoons are in bed with Trump, as demonstrated by their his attendance at his inauguration. It is harder for Democrats to get their message out there. Newsom and AOC have had some great quips which are hard to find. He who controls the media, controls the people


    Rather than blaming the Democrats, I am more interested in why we are not hearing their voices. We are drowning in conservative voices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭valoren


    I think the media is too fragmented there for any Democrat tactics or superstar to have an impact. You could get Obama or Sanders or Newsom or Jon Stewart or any of their ilk making rhetoric on a par with I Have A Dream but it would be an exercise in preaching to the choir. Would Fox News or Truth Social carry it? Would a staunch Trump fan or people with Tik Tok attention spans spend 5 minutes watching Bernie Sanders talking sense? They wouldn't and between the end of the fairness doctrine and social media algorithms spoon feeding biases then it's hard to see any Democrat swaying those who see them as the enemy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Convention was broken when Trump first took office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Also he dropped a bit of a bombshell about forced sterilization on certain groups. Never heard that one before, is that true ?

    EDIT - Looks like it is true. Shocking that, horrendous.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Well when you put it like that I have to agree with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Orbán’s Hungary should have no place in the EU. It has to be suspended at least. Let them go to Putin or Trump for handouts.

    Reuters reports that Peter Szijjarto, the foreign minister of Hungary, said Monday that Greenland is not a European Union issue, signaling that Hungary would not support a joint EU statement.

    “We regard this as a bilateral issue that can be resolved via talks between the two parties ...I don’t think it is an EU issue,” Szijjarto said. Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s right-wing prime minister, has long been a longtime ally to Donald Trump and his administration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Yes, it’s true but is Mr. Bessent really an authentic campaigner for the rights of indigenous people, do you think? If he chose to list all the crimes committed against Native Americans by his own country over the years we’d be in for quite the session.



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