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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,544 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Can I just say a heartfelt "f**k you" to those, at home and abroad, who said people overreacted when Trump was elected, on either or both occasions.

    Especially those who thought it was one big laugh, or that he would "shake things up" in the American political system.

    It was clear to anyone who paid attention that he was always a demented, racist, fascist wannabe with psychopathic tendencies.

    If I had a euro for every "he's not that bad", or "he has a point", "well, at least it isn't boring", or "it'll never happen, there are too many checks and balances" or "he's only joking", I'd f**ing retire.

    Call me petty, but i sincerely hope some of them get burned, and I mean properly burned, by this madness. Any request for sympathy will be met but the same apathy they showed during the likes of Charlottesville, his mocking of the disabled reporter, his disgusting comments about E. Jean Carroll, his indifference to Biden's cancer, or Paul Pelosi's attack, his incitement of the riots storming the Capitol building, or his brazen grifting from his position in office.

    It was clear from 2015 and before, that he was an absolute scumbag and electing him was like handing your car keys to a complete drunk, and yet wringing your hands when you see the absolute carnage. Honestly - What the f**k did you think was going to happen?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    yeah but it makes no logical sense. Greenland have to agree to join America, this is not a hundred years ago where you could just sell a peopled land to another country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Pretty confident in my knowledge about tariffs, you’re just not grasping how they can be applied to the EU…due to it being a single market.

    He can and does employ them, probably because it’s all he knows really, he doesn’t possess the brain power or skills of a statesman to understand how basic his current actions are. This is shown in his business failings as well.

    His tariffs have alway been a joke, some still exist but a lot he has chickened out on. It doesn’t really do much for international partners other hurt their trust in America, which is probably gone back decades now.

    Either way, we are probably going to get a warning at this rate. Happy to take it to DM if you wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I don't believe you understand at all.
    Any company in the EU single market exporting goods to the US have to include the country of origin. If this country of origin is Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland that duty will be an extra 10% above the 15% already placed on the EU.

    His tariffs maybe a joke, some do exist and some he has chickened out of, some hurt the trust in America etc….. but that does not change the fact that he can (under current US law impose them) and yes he can target and single out individual countries due to the need to include a Country of Origin in the customs decoration. (and the Eu is not country of origin)

    We can debate the legality of them under US, international, WTO laws etc… I'm just stating he can apply them to specific countries regardless of them being in the EU or if they have a trade agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,598 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That would be plying into his hands. He would love nothing better than trying to get E.U. member negotiating with him individually. Doing it as a group on specific businesses in Republican or marginal states would hurt him a lot more. Jack Daniels whisky is stopping production for a year due to Canada not buying. Last time as far as I recall he had Harley Davidson bikers in the WH telling him how great he was. A few weeks after the E.U. tariffed Harley Davidson the company were in the WH saying it was a disaster for them and they were looking at major job loses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Again, I’m not disputing the country of origin. You’ve mentioned it already, single market, single…meaning one.

    The country of origin is not used for tariffs, it’s used for stats, labelling etc. the market it originated from is where the tariff applies. I’ve said this multiple times.

    He can’t target individual countries in the EU, he just can’t. He can target industries or companies to affect specific countries, but he can’t apply them to individual countries. He can try, but that’s not how it works. You should tell them your country idea though.

    There is no debate about the legality either, not under WTO rules anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,598 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The E.U. could do that with tech companies but at the end of the day it could do more harm than good, especially here as we make a lot of money from them paying their taxes here and they are big employers. We would be hitting our own E.U. economies rather than the U.S. economy.

    Other than E.U. specific targeted tariffs that would hurt his base support I don`t see them having much effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    You keep going back and forth with this poster, saying what the US can't do. The president can have you killed tomorrow if he wants to. He can embargo the entire United Kingdom if he wishes. It will cost him huge political currency but he can. He certainly can put individual tariffs on countries and ignore their collective market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    New Puck poll of 18-34 year old men. Seems to have been taken before Maduro was captured and the Greenland issue arose.

    Young men seem upset with the lack of progress the President has made toward improving their lives. Only 27% of the young men polled believed that Trump was “delivering” for people like them. Young men just seemed upset with the lack of progress the President has made toward improving their lives. Only 27% of the young men polled believed that Trump was “delivering” for people like them.

    His approval rating with this group has dropped from 56% in Spring 2024 to 46% now.

    47% of young men agreed that Trump “creates chaos and makes things worse” while 40% told pollsters that the President “shakes things up and brings needed change” when asked about his impact on the political system. 

    68% of young men told pollsters they would be more likely to support a candidate who avoided unnecessary wars and conflict. They also thought Democrats were more likely to avoid wars and conflicts than Republicans by a 5-point margin. 

    Those between the ages of 18 and 34 said that they would vote for a generic Democrat candidate over a generic Republican by a 15-point to 20-point margin. 

    On Greenland, we are learning the lessons of the risks of being so dependent on one country. This affects Ireland economically as well but I think the evidence from the tariffs is we can weather it. We have actually continued to do well GDP and public finances wise despite them beforehand.

    The silence of most of the Republican party will one day be remembered like the silence of traditional German conservatives like Franz von Papen or Alfred Hugenburg who entered Hitler's first Cabinet and were then discarded when no longer needed.

    The Congress has the power of the purse and the Republican majority is tiny. There are several vacant seats coming up for election and starting a war with NATO will not go down well I think. The Speaker delayed seating Rep.Grijalva in Arizona a long time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Give over.

    It’s very clear that Trump can’t do as he wishes, he tries to. When it comes to trade with the EU, he’ll try as he might but ultimately he will just TACO again. He can’t put tariffs on individual member states. It’s really very simple.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    A study a few days ago found that removing some internal trade barriers between EU states could counterbalance Trump tariffs.

    Source.

    I've noticed a lot of "MIRROR NOW" "Times Now" etc. videos suddenly appearing on youtube on Greenland. Is this some sort of paid MAGA propaganda?

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    More grift…

    "Donald Trump is asking countries that want a spot on his new “Board of Peace” for Gaza to pay US$1 billion (NZ$1.74 billion) which he will control, according to a report."

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360926114/trump-wants-nations-pay-1b-join-his-gaza-peace-board



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,532 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems appropriate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,544 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    This once off dictat to stations will soon pave the way for more dictats, until it is normalized. Not content with bullying stations, reporters and TV shows, into cancelling shows or presenting puff pieces on him or his family, he's now publicly telling them what to broadcast.

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    Just another step taken on the road to fascism folks. Nothing to see here...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭francois


    Time to start flogging off the US treasury bonds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,234 ✭✭✭secman


    I will merrily dance when he draws his last breath, hopefully soon, from something really really really silly..… God works in mysterious ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,532 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    My dream is, Jeffries speaker and we lose CFTrump and Vance at the same time… Woot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The problem is that there will never be a good working relationship anymore with the United States under Trump. Suppose Europe gives in to Trump's demands over Greenland, would tarifs really go away? Would there be a "wonderful relationship" between a US taking Greenland away? Or would Trump come along with some other demand, like taking Iceland and threatening tarifs again?

    Regardless what happens, it'll be the end, of economic as well as military cooperation resulting in distrust wherever one looks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    what’s. The story about the UsSC issuing its ruling as to whether the tariffs are legal or not. I understood that the deadline for issuing it’s ruling was Wednesday last. Has it set a new deadline and what reason did it give for missing the Wednesday deadline ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭bog master




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I hope it happens and that it's made perfectly clear why there's nothing to watch for people not interested in the game that evening. I expect it would piss off a sizeable chunk of the population and would do it without having to harm any minorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,890 ✭✭✭threeball


    Its the tech bros that are enabling him though so they need to be reigned in. Give me one good reason for keeping Musk involved in Europe. Zuckerberg will fold like a cheap tent as hes losing billions on his AI bet. Bezos, the little creep, jumped on board the Trump train early in the election campaign and hes been riding it ever since. Hes just voting with his pocket as he has zero morals.

    These guys need to hurt. And we may need to take some pain, because if this ends up in conflict there will be alot more lost than money and we're on the front line. The Donbas of a US/EU war. Not a great thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I'd see it the same way. However Europe would have to have a stronger politics towards economic matters, startups, venture capital, etc…. If Europe was to stand up, Europe needs to rise economically way stronger.

    Fewer debates about socialism and welllfare matters, more about work, jobs, economy, lower taxes, etc…

    I suppose many Europeans wouldn't like that idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    I see Millar’s and Bannon’s finger prints all over it. Trump is not capable of putting those few words together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    talking about a ‘poisoned chalice’ , Trumps ‘PEACE GROUP’ proposal would leave the chalice in the halfpenny place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    When he was standing on that balcony struggling to breathe I had my fingers crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Can you outline what taking that pain entails, because I've heard this before and it turns out people generally don't want their standard of living to fall.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If I understand you correctly then, whatever about Musk & Zuckerberg, Bezos's Amazon hosts countless European business systems via its AWS platform. Moving those companies to a different cloud provider wouldn't be cheap or a straightforward task and while ideally we would be making use of EU based platforms, the reality is that the likes of AWS, Azure, etc are reliable, scalable and secure which is what their customers look for. European companies need to move away from US based platforms but not without a safe and reliable alternative. An outage last autumn showed the reliance on AWS...

    https://www.politico.eu/article/aws-amazon-web-services-outage-europe-limit-reliance-us-tech/

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/10/21/amazon-internet-service-outage-highlights-eus-overwhelming-reliance-on-big-tech

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,890 ✭✭✭threeball


    Thats just apeing America. Who wants that. We're at near full employment Europe wide. Right wingers don't want immigration so who are these additional jobs for. Theres a cost of living issue, but that dystopian right wing he'll hole across the water is worse.

    What we need is smarter spending of the taxes we pay. Building a country that has a vision for the future. Putting the infrastructure in place to allow us have a future. In Ireland, that would be energy, housing and transport. For other EU countries their priorities would be different. The level of tax isn't the issue. Its how its spent.

    We also need to be more investment friendly, less red tape. But there are initiatives working on that now. Europe is evolving and I believe its a template that others will follow in the future. It has its issues, but it's currently the best place to live on this planet.



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