Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Ireland is to establish a new task force inspired by I.C.E.

It's called N.I.C.E.

But instead of deporting or shooting illegals, it gives everyone 10 grand to voluntarily go home.

And if they don't want the money it's grand, they can go for option number two - a house and citizenship.

He who pays the piper calls the tune 😉

Two Slovakian men, one of whom is homeless with ‘49 convictions for public order, theft and road traffic offences’. Like his countryman Joseph Puska, why.was.he.in.this.country?!

Thanks, I’ve added one now. I wanted to be as vague as possible in case I was in breach of a rule.

This stuff peddled by the media really grinds my gears.

Here is the chart presented after alot of waffle:

It's presented as a 'factcheck' piece the Journal are oh so fond of (yet turn the comments off for).

If it's so factual, why the word estimate after the word 'official' in the column title?

Now this is all put together by the ERSI - who when you delve into their Annual Financial Report you can see quite clearly they are a magnet for government funding from not just multiple department sources, but a vast range of taxpayer funded sources:

ANNUAL REPORT 2024

This just goes to show that government paid opposition hasn't gone away. And shame on SF and others that purport to be opposition to the government of the day. When the actual government is paying NGOs to be their 'watchdog' it says alot.

Its still 7 times the European average. Most of the non EEA immigration is work permits. The government decides how many of those to hand out.

If you look at recent polls such as Ireland Thinks, the vast majority want tighter controls. That means we will need to reduce work permits. I personally favour this. I am not calling for abolition of them. But I think when it comes to low skilled labour especially, we need to recruit more of the unemployed in the sink estates.

Historically there have always been the type of men who are not good with computers, and worked in manual trades. I think that is now harder because of competition from the Global South and Eastern Europe. We cant do anything about EU member states migration, but we can with non-EEA.

If the Journal fact-checking team had any integrity they would fact-check articles of their own like that one.

The Journal like most of the Irish Media is ideologically driven. The types of people that write articles for these outlets are very left-leaning and that causes them to write articles that are more like activist hit pieces than anything that resembles a news article.

As bad as things in the USA are, at least the media there have no qualms about letting their audience know where they lean on the political spectrum. In Ireland, the media says of itself that it's unbiased, but it's anything but. Go on to the Journal for example and do a search for "far left"

Far Left · TheJournal.ie

Three results. In all the years they are operating, they managed three times to report on far-left activities.

Now do a search for "far right"

Far Right · TheJournal.ie

Over 200 articles.

Says it all really.

70% of people housed by a homeless charity had previously been in ipas centres. When EU citizens, Roma, Ukrainians etc are added was even 10% of those housed by this charity Irish?

The refugee industry is the lifeblood of the homeless industry.

Heard it too

Emer Higgins giving out that we only ever hear about the negative aspects of immigration and never the positives. Strange she must not see the almost daily “New to the Parish” puff pieces in the IT, or the continuous chat of the benefits to our health service from migrants.

She then went on to talk about how migrants prop up our health service (valid point), our tourism industry (a new one to me, is this in waiting jobs etc? Hardly “essential labour”, not to mention the effects commandeering our hotels for migrant accommodation has had) and in “building houses”

I’ve heard that last one trotted out a few times and genuinely that is a dishonest misrepresentation. Sure though I am that there are migrants involved in housing construction, they are in no way a key factor in it, far from propping the whole sector up.

In fact, of all the work permits granted last year, only 1% were for construction jobs, and not all of them would be purely for housing construction jobs either.

Of course she was not challenged whatsoever on any of it

You're being far too kind to the media, they know exactly what they are doing.

I have never heard of Fold Housing until mentioned here. So it seems we have 'charities' funded by the taxpayer in the property game. I notice that €2m of their €12m per annum is going on wages, etc…

Now, back when I was a nipper, the County Councils were well able to operate in the property game and build houses and even whole estates.

But now we have the County Councils who are taxpayer funded, using more taxpayer funds to pay a charity who are taxpayer funded to build / acquire houses for social housing provision.

Like seriously, how many times do we have to pay people to do a job? No wonder the system is a mess. So much taxpayers money going towards 'jobs' that very few seem capable of actually doing. And it seems these 'jobs' are just there so money can be spent for the sakes of spending it.

It's a nightmare scenario for a government that's already unable to meet its housing targets.

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/local-news/1966440/gardai-detected-drunk-driver-when-he-released-handbrake-causing-the-vehicle-to-roll-back.html

Assault was in 2023, taken into custody in August 25 (charged before that)

In March 25 got caught drunk driving and arrested for that, and when he was convicted of that in December 25 it had him at 37 previous convictions. So after those he's up to the 49 before he was convicted of the assault assuming he'd didn'#t get convicted of something else between the last month and this month.

For the drunk driving case

"In August, Judge Bernadette Owens had requested a community service assessment report on the defendant, however, last week she heard he was no longer in a position to complete that work."

Last week, solicitor Frank Gearty described Mr Peci as a family man who had been doing his best to provide for his family and regretfully he committed these road traffic offences.”

No longer in a position to complete that work as he was in custody for the assault.

This thread seems to be a complete circle jerk. Any facts are met with "mainstream media" and discussions around who presented the data and justifying for themselves why they should ignore it.

Somehow multipple people have used a table that clear showss immigrants have higher rates of employmnet, higher levels of education, lower use of social housing and lower rates incarceration yet somehowe seem to have turned it around completly based solely on non-sequiters and piffy comments.

If you plan to be taken seriously at leasdt attempt to base your opiions of some sort of thought, if facts are too much for you.