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President Connolly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭jacool


    01:21 "Going to leave it there."

    Only the 4 posts since then. I'd hate to see this if you were not going to leave it there.

    I agree with the people who have commented above about the irony that certain posters were giving out about Michael D speaking out and are now giving out about Catherine Connolly not speaking out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    Except that’s not what we are giving out about

    We are giving out about the prioritising of something America does over the less hasty giving out about what’s going on now,1000’s dead in Iran

    When was the last time U.S authorities killed 1000’s of their own citizens for disagreeing with the government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Just because they aren't matching others doesn't mean they are immune from criticism. Trump being blatant about what the US always did if it suited should open a few eyes. Maybe. Connolly's we know, have been open for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It is only countries like Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea and Venezuela who treat their own citizens like this. It should be called out by our President.

    I am surprised to see the extent to which Connolly is being defended on this. As far as I can see, only PBP have remained silent, every other political party has condemned Iran. Time for our President to get on board, if it is not too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    That’s just hogwash,why should there be a higher archy of the criticiseable based simply on leftist likings or sensitivities?

    It’s pure hypocrisy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What?

    You want to adjudicate what or who can be criticised? Good luck with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    When Michael D was president people were giving out stink about him speaking up. President Connolly isn't speaking up and people are giving out stink again.

    Literally can't win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    I’ve made a fair comment on what looks two faced

    Hopefully latterly she will speak

    But of course like most lefties she has no such hesitation with America



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    Is this the first time that the Irish Gov has cancelled the ratification of an ambassador?
    I find the decision VERY PERPLEXING and a total contradiction. I assume the IRish Gov decision is based exclusively on on the killing of peaceful Iranian protestors by IT’S OWN GOVERNMENT.
    Reasons for this contradiction, etc.are:-

    (1) 1000+ Iranian protesters killed to date in a totally unprovoked attack- over circa a 10 day period- by their own government , hence the Irish Gov action

    (2) 60,000+ killed by Russia and ABSOLUTLY NOTHING done by the Irish Gov action eg could have closed down the embassy, ; reduce the number of staff; not allow any new staff addditions; cancel all communication; demand , on a frequent basis that the ambassador explain what Russia is doing re each atrocity in Ukr, etc, etc, etc,

    (3)The Iranian action was on it’s own territory and against it’s own people

    THE Russian action was against the citizens of another sovereign country

    (5) the Russia SMO was totally unprovoked either by the citizens of UKR or by the UKR government -

    (6) The US is creating havoc in even just suggesting the purchase or even the taking over Greenland by force if necessary - Greenland being part of the EU and which ireland is a well seasoned member of


    To sum up then is the Irish Gov inaction re Russia because it involves two nations and it is foreigners that are being killed and not Russians . And is the inaction because the foreign people being killed ie Ukerinians are not protesters? The mind boggles.

    I remember at the early period of the Russian SMO that the Irish Gov said that the Ru embassy was important in that it was essential that the “ lines of communication ‘ are kept open.

    My disgust may fall flat if the current ambassador stays on - that is if he/she does exist as he may be gone home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are demanding a say in what she says and when and where she says it. When she does criticise (Assad) you say she’s bluffing.

    Impossible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    And both of them have no influence what so ever on event in other Nations…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    No I’m commenting on apparent bias in who she rushes to comment on

    Very big difference and a very valid criticism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And you criticise her even if she does call out one of your bad bots.

    She can’t win

    She has called out Assad and tge Iranian government.
    There is probably a good reason why she hasn’t made any remarks yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    Ah I see you’re now in the realm of imagining a legitimate excuse in your apologies for her tardiness

    That’s almost as good as a Godwin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Excuse? Godwin?
    What are you on about?

    There are reasons why she hasn’t.

    You think it’s because she supports the Iranian government despite her calling them out before.
    We have already seen it pointed out she can’t win if she does or doesn’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    so you excuse her for silence on 1000’s of Iranian deaths because she has some reason you don’t know what it is?

    That’s reached the level of proselytising
    No other word for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This may offer a potential explanation for Connolly's silence. Anti-Americanism is so rooted in left-wing ideology in Ireland that even when America is right - Venezuela and Iran - the far left can't help themselves and they root for the repressive regimes who oppress their own citizens.

    The clear implication of what you are saying is that because Trump is for it, it must be wrong, and that Catherine Connolly is following that position. That speaks to a blind prejudice based on personality on her part rather than an objective look at reality.

    It would be better if you would give a policy-based reason for her silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This was explained really well by one of the opposition leaders - Roderic O'Gorman - in an interview I heard yesterday.

    Not his biggest fan, but he said while he was in favour of maintaining diplomatic relationships in order for dialogue - he had never called for the expulsion of the Israeli or Russian ambassadors - any opportunity to send a signal of displeasure, as in this case, should be used and he supported the government action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Do you think it would have been a good idea to make a statement on an evolving situation within a media blackout on the same week they the new Iranian embarassador is being told by the Aras/DoFA to fcuk off and come back some other time? That lad could be back very soon too if the rebellion doesn't succeed.

    I think you do know that Connolly is itching to say something formal about the killing in Iran but she will do it in her own good time. The lemons on Boards will have to wait.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Are you suggesting that the President shouldn't comment on an evolving situation?

    If so, can you explain her comments in the past on Venezuela, Sudan and Gaza. As I understand it, those situations are still evolving. The all-embracing anti-Trump stance, as put forward by another poster, ("Connolly's we know, have been open for a long time") still seems the most likely explanation.

    We still don't know whether DFA had to overrule the President's Office on the Ambassador. Her silence doesn't help in resolving that issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Venezuela was done and dusted in one night. It was a smash and grab. 100+ killed in air raids and shooting. A violation of international law that nobody seems to take seriously (Trump blinkers on). It gives license to other bully countries to do the same.

    Gaza was more than evolving. It was clear what was going on. It was a genocide. Many people felt compelled to step in. When did she speak about Gaza recently? As a TD?

    I don't know whats happening in Sudan now. Gets very little news coverage. She brought it up as a TD.

    Sudan…

    Foreign Conflicts – Thursday, 10 Oct 2024 – Parliamentary Questions (33rd Dáil) – Houses of the Oireachtas

    Foreign Conflicts – Tuesday, 23 May 2023 – Parliamentary Questions (33rd Dáil) – Houses of the Oireachtas

    Should she make a statement about Greenland?

    I am anti Trump. Proud of it. He is a danger to the world. A menace.

    Her role as president will always be different to her excellent stint as a TD. Do you acknowledge that?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's a live and ongoing situation. The government have already issued an official statement. Who knows what the reason is…you certainly don't. You are wildly guessing and supposing she is sympathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Trump is a horrible dangerous menace, a misogynist and racist, does that make me anti-Trump?

    I don't see the world only through personalities or political parties, policies are important to me. Trump is wrong on Greenland, correct on Iran and Venezuela. For too long, the West has stood by while totalitarian states have repressed their own citizens. On this one issue, Trump is standing up in a way that should have been done before. It may well be his motives are for oil and wealth, but the end of overthrowing horrible regimes in Iran and Venezuela is correct. Hopefully, he will target other regimes that have impoverished their own people as well.

    Iran of course, not only represses its own civilians but is singularly responsible for supporting terrorist organisations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, as well as movements in Iraq and Syria. Anything that reins them in is good. We wouldn't have had October 7th without the logistical support of Iran to Hamas.

    Of course, our President will be different to her time as TD, but I am not sure that I would call it excellent. As President, she needs to put aside her anti-Americanism that another poster has referenced, and speak to the truths. Shedding tears for Cuban mercenaries who bought into a life of violence, while ignoring the plight of innocent young Iranians seeking freedom is not where our President should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    I’m not wildly anything

    I’m just comparing and contrasting her quick off the block concern for Maduru’s henchmen vs remarkable quiet on 1000’s dead in Iran

    But then it’s always America ‘in it

    Of course the irony of Iran chief supporter of Hamas killing 1000’s of its citizens Can’t be escaped here

    Must be awkward for the President and other hard lefties to tippy toe around without looking like gullable eejits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are now exaggerating.

    She has roundly criticised Iran in the Dáil for attacks on it's own citizen's.

    This is a serious issue. I attended a very civilised protest in Galway a few weeks ago. We were asked to ask the Minister, as a member of a Government which has a place on the UN Security Council, to call on the Islamic Republic of Iran to immediately stop the use of lethal force and unlawful suppression, to stop subjecting Iranian citizens to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, and to stop unlawful and arbitrary arrests and detentions. The figures are rising. Deputy Howlin already mentioned some of them. Some 410 protestors have been killed, with a caveat that those figures are higher. Some 58 children have been killed in the unrest and more than 17,251 people have been arrested. According to media reports, in November, six of those detained in the protests have been issued death sentences. This number is expected to rise. Iran executes more people annually than any other country apart from China, although I understand that in the last week, Saudi Arabia executed 17 people.

    Her concern is human rights and if America is to be criticised she does that without fear or favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,887 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Surrrrrrrre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Did those comments come at the time when the US was making deals with Iran? Reducing sanctions?

    If so, they only support the case that our President sees everything through an anti-American lens, given that she is now silent on Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Are you in the conversation or not? You bowed out last time we engaged.

    *The comments are fro 2022 in the Dáil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I don't know what you are talking about being in a conversation or not, I am here to discuss policies, and not get involved in whatever type of personal stuff you appear to thrive on. Whether a particular poster responds or not, drops out of discussion or not, does not make their contribution any less or any more worthwhile. Either their point stands, or it doesn't. Repeating a point as nauseum does not make it any more worthwhile either. Not responding to a post may mean it is not worthy of a response. Any of those reasons are plausible for why someone is doing something other than "bowing out", as you describe it. From the tone of your post, it appears you see some kind of vindication or victory for your position in someone "bowing out". The opposite could also be true, that posters find a particular argument tedious or nonsensical and don't bother responding to that tedium or nonsense. I am not going to draw any conclusion as to why you didn't get a response, and I am not going to draw any conclusions when I don't get a response, there is a menu of reasons. I consider your response to me to be below standards and bordering on the personal, but I am new around here, so will ignore it this time.

    Getting back on topic, US/Iran relations took a turn for the worse when Trump came to power. Remember he accused Iran of hacking his 2024 election campaign. Those remarks in 2022 therefore came at a time when relations between the US and Iran were much better than they are now. I don't recall the US bombing Iran in 2022, do you?

    So Connolly asking questions in 2022 in the Dail and staying silent now only increases the merit of the argument that she sees the world through an anti-American lens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    From the tone of your post, it appears you see some kind of vindication or victory for your position in someone "bowing out". The opposite could also be true, that posters find a particular argument tedious or nonsensical and don't bother responding to that tedium or nonsense. I am not going to draw any conclusion as to why you didn't get a response, and I am not going to draw any conclusions when I don't get a response, there is a menu of reasons. I consider your response to me to be below standards and bordering on the personal, but I am new around here, so will ignore it this time.

    You are not wrong, sahib.



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