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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Are you refusing to believe reputable agencies like UNICEF, Action Aid, MSF etc that were in Gaza at the time and then take the word of War Criminals and Zionist who want the land cleared of Gazans? Israel murdered journalist and the Free Press don't forget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,649 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Unfortunately looks like the regime has gotten control of the situation.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I sincerely hope not. That's what the Foreign Minister is claiming. Do you have any other evidence to back it up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,649 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Usual twitter reads (usually reliable, but not infallible). Claim of mass executions planned by the regime and seizure of assets.

    From what I can see, the main issue is that it looks like the army (not the IRGC) has come down on the side of the government. Not clear if the Supreme Leader will survive though.

    The supposed opposition son of the Shah does not appear to have that much support from what I've seeing online.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The regime is backed by the same type of people who vote for Trump - religiously conservative and from the biggest ethnic group. After 50 years of incompetence and tyranny their numbers have dwindled but they’re still maybe 10% to 20% of the population, around ten to twenty million people or so? That’s a lot of potential goons. The Chinese have helped them adapt their Internet so they can disable the Western-friendly elements while still keeping it running. As in Belarus and Syria you don’t need a majority on your side to hang onto power for a very long time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I remember the army withdrawing its support for the Shah's last PM was the final straw in 1979, but I suppose after nearly 50 years no one gets to a senior officer role without being a true believer.

    I have been concerned about the prominence of Pahlavi of late. I can't imagine many Iranians really want to replace the current autocracy with the descendants of the previous one.

    It's very depressing if true. For once I'm left hoping Trump and Netanyahu actually don't exercise caution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    He has attracted a fair bit of criticism among exiled Iranians. What he should be doing is playing a similar role to Juan Carlos in the Spanish crisis of 1981, advocating primarily for democracy with a ceremonial monarch attached as well. What should matter is freedom - whether as a republic or a constitutional monarchy is of secondary importance. There’s no way the Shah should ever again have the power he used to have. That much should be made very clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I'm assuming the Juan Carlos role is what's envisaged. I don't know if he realises that himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I suspect the regime will moderate its Islamic elements that needlessly antagonize the majority. Dictating what women can wear is a fool’s errand for any authoritarian state - you’ll run into dissent in your own family doing that. By contrast, most people are more tolerant of repression in the political sphere. There may be a deal to be made with Trump that lifts some sanctions and leaves the IRGC in place à la Venezuela. He has no problem at all with Middle Eastern despots as long as they’re bearing gifts. The current Supreme Leader is probably an obstacle to that.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like taking the internet down enabled the authorities to track down where the terminals were located using this new type of jamming system.

    Big turnout in support today with almost every town and city taking part. Must be in the millions, nothing on BBC mind you.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Hurrah for the nut jobs, I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Not one of the people concerned about human rights ever rationalises the sanctions the Empire enforces on Iran.
    Every year since 1990, sanctions by the US & EU kill 600,000 civilians per year in the Global South, including Iran, Cuba etc.

    These are unilateral, illegal, coercive acts better thought of as crimes against humanity. They are as normal as rain falling from clouds.

    The individuals behind these psychopathic, vicious crimes tell you – the reason for them is to advance human rights in those countries.
    They’re not my values.
    Are they your values?
    When the reason for the sanctions is regime change and the US taking over the countries resources – then its hard for certain people to rationalise. So they, er …. don’t bother mentioning it.

    However, that should not automatically imply that the current unrest is some artificial thing, manufactured entirely by foreign agent provocateurs. It's possible that the current Iranian government have failed their people


    The original protests were about difficulty of doing business, high inflation of 30%, shortages of medecine, tough living conditions – but not overthrowing the government. These were normal calm but clear protests. The root of nearly all of these problems is the US & EU sanctions (crimes against humanity).

    For clarity, a US colour revolution (CIA having learnt from experience) waits for such protests then detonates all of its agents, vectors & violence on top of & into the protests.

    Everyone in Iran knew the violent rioters were Mossad (since Israel made this public!!) so this is a way for Israel & US to gauge the support for their coup offering. If enough people wanted they could have joined in. Maybe a few hundred nutters joined in, in different cities but nobody else did.
    This is why this colour revolution attempt failed.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Iran brook.jpeg

    The current gang of imperialists are very helpful. They publish all their theft policies & crimes against humanity policies in easy to read documents.
    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

    My feeds say another US/Israeli military attack on Iran is very likely in January. But they also indicate that this time Iran will strike preemptively if they are certain of an attack.

    If Iran does this, my guess is they will start off with the accuracy & more devastating missile intensity of the last 36 hours of the June war.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    That is scary stuff. I wonder if Iran has their own on what to do with the US/Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    ’Support for the regime’ is a broad church, just like opposition to it. Most people aren’t prepared to die either way. Democracy would be ‘nice to have’. If the mullahs were a party in an Iranian democracy they’d get some support - maybe 10-20%? - but a lot more people are willing to put up with them if they could turn around the economy. The Internet is a double-edged sword. So far it has empowered dissent in many countries but states are becoming more adept at controlling it. China is the best, ie worst, example and India is moving in that direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    It sure is.
    I think all Iran can do is defend itself and if that means destroying all Israeli military bases & all US bases in the region then that is what they will proceed to do. Of course as always, the US & IL will target civilians & civilian infrastructure mostly.

    Any action might well be similar in format to June unless either side adopts new tactics.

    Irans hypersonics will again keep the US navy far away from Iran – quite 21st century (which is unlike that theatre parameter in any previous Western colonial adventure).

    The distance limits for barbarian fighter aircraft including F35 are same as before.
    I think there is little possibility of Iranian traitor assistance in air defence deactivation in an initial attack being repeated.

    What do you think?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yea, government-owned State TV of an authoritarian state, disseminating propaganda, is always truthful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Every year since 1990, sanctions by the US & EU kill 600,000 civilians per year in the Global South, including Iran, Cuba etc.

    Source?

    These are unilateral, illegal, coercive acts better thought of as crimes against humanity.

    Source?



    The root of nearly all of these problems is the US & EU sanctions (crimes against humanity).

    Source?



    This is why this colour revolution attempt failed.

    Reports that protests are still ongoing. Much too early to tell if this is over or not.
    But a good bit of propaganda there WamesConnelly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


     But they also indicate that this time Iran will strike preemptively if they are certain of an attack.

    We had folks on here spouting nonsense about how Iran won that war against Israel, on how Israel were on the back foot, and how Iran was now in a stronger position.

    Those folks are not here anymore, because it's evident that the Iranian regime is at its weakest position its been in since 1979, and it has little to no friends in the world.

    Iran is a paper tiger.
    It has no air force worth talking about.
    It has no capability to defend itself or its airspace from its enemies.
    The best it can do is launch some missiles into Israel with the hope that it will hit something, anything.
    According to independent estimates, Iran has lost up to 50% of its missile capabilities in that war, with the US coming to give its nuclear ambitions a serious setback.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I think all Iran can do is defend itself and if that means destroying all Israeli military bases & all US bases in the region then that is what they will proceed to do.

    ROFL.

    Ireland has the same amount of hope of doing that as Iran.

    Israel achieved air superiority over Iran in approximately 48 hours when that conflict started.


    https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran


    The USA is a much bigger and better-equipped adversary, and you think Iran can take them on as well?
    Come back to reality. Iran is powerless to stop either the USA or Israel, if either of them start targeting the infrastructure of the regime and the IRGC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    translation “Reporting the sanctions that were killing those people, then. That's where we were in 2017. Up to 1 million deaths per year are caused by U.S. sanctions worldwide since 1970.”

    If you disagree with this source's 38 million, what's your global figure for death tolls from US & EU sanctions over 50 years?
    Aside from specific numbers, what is your overall opinion of US sanctions that kill thousands & millions of people.

    This is why this colour revolution attempt failed. This is my opinion.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    This is the pinned post of that user's Twitter account. Interesting.


    Also, that account is definitely a bot account, as I count no less than 10 times that graph has been posted in the past 9 days.

    As per the study, not worth the paper its printed on. Flawed on numerous accounts, and not peer reviewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    What's a more accurate figure so, say- for a typical 12 month global death toll from US & EU sanctions, in your opinion?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,649 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    1000093996.jpg

    Pentagon pizza party.

    Someones getting bombed later

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




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