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Milk Price III

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    milk price will be sorted ….just matter of when low prices cure low prices just as high prices did same

    Big worry tho is cheap grain and the supply coming out of America and the higher constituents of there milk which is adding more commodity products to an already saturated world market

    Lot is made of our low cost model and the big advantage grass gives us ,think both are well overplayed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    What difference does it make, we'll do what we always do. Head down arse up and drive on, cut spending and drive on and wait for the next lad to blink. No point in panicking now. Giddy up.

    Just on the wider issues we all know them but I think what will also be interesting next year will be USD/EUR exchange rate. If Trump gets his Fed puppet in their central bank and their goal will be to drive down the dollar. Ireland is particularly exposed to exports to U.S from EU so another few percent of dollar now won't be pretty for exports.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    We exports 90 % of productio so local prices follow world price to a greater or lesser extent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    Definitely i don't think we are anything like the low cost country they were all rambling about. Maybe we could produce it reasonably cheap ten years ago but not now...… a lot of costs have doubled in that time frame



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 captain hadley


    Lakeland down 3 cent good start to the year.if it does start to rise later in the year I hope they rise it 3 cent at a time doubt that though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,980 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    WWhat's Base price now ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 captain hadley


    33.25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Fast and furious with the cuts they are, especially for winter when you'd think with less volume they could have a greater percentage moving into higher value products. Must be near a bottom now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,980 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Tirlan hold milk price, their text they sent out is a fairytale. In fairness they're holding base price at 36.08 for a couple of months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭Grueller


    John G Murphy told me last week that they are holding for 3 months and will review then. He would be next parish to me here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,980 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    The text says base price 41.08cpl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Jeez I'd be happy to take that given the dire predictions on here over the Christmas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,980 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    The Milk price is only 41 08 if you're a creamery supplier though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Ok. I wasn't aware of the difference in suppliers. I'm on a manufacturing contract. Is that creamery or is liquid milk creamery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,980 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Manufacturing is creamery. I welcome them holding the price but the text is misleading.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Where do we stand now in terms of production costs relative to the rest of the world. Most of the articles that have come up for are based around the last decade there doesn't seem to be many blowing about our competitive advantage in .recent times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    Relative to the rest of the world I think costs per litre have risen equally enough throughout the globe however the big difference I see is that in the Americas and Asia it’s the scale of operations that is driving surpluses because of the very economics of scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    and an abundance of cheap grain ….our so called advantage is over played



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭yewdairy


    A mild damp climate is all we have, where grass grows and we don't get extremes of cold or heat so cows can go out and graze it.

    We don't have scale and Ireland is an expensive place to do business.

    Electricity, labour and price of machinery all cost more than other places. Even when feed prices are low here, they will be lower in other parts of the world.

    The other major advantage of Irish dairy farms is incredibly low debt levels on farms.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,373 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Always wonder how the Dutch and Danish get on with the debt there, have they low interest rates?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Don't forget the free labour that comes from the "family farm model". That's changing as well thou, so another so-called competitive advantage is being eroded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    lifetime and inter generational debt is the short answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    I see lakeland has held the price so hopefully thats the end of the cutting and maybe ca more positive trend emerging 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Kerry 37.5 for January



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    arratipp base for Jan cut by 1 cent to 35.39. Inc vat and sustainability ….add 4 cent for janurary winter bonus

    1 cent cut hard fathom considering other coops have held and most paying higher winter bonus …..considering weather and extra cost and work its adding bit of an own goal



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Tirlan base price for January is 35.58 when you get the calculator out and decode the text they sent below.

    “Tirlan January milk price 43.08 cpl incl VAT 7cpl Seasonality and 0.5cpl Sustainability. Base price unchanged.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Weak dollar is really playing havoc to be fair, messing around on chat gtp current wmp prices at the latest gdt equate to circa 32 c/l after processing costs if dec 24 us/euro dollar exchange rate was used it would be nearer 38 c/l...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    we were told that protein markets are performing much better last few months ….and we put a lot of product into value added proteins so hard see justification for a 1 cent cut when other coops have held base and also pay higher Jan bonus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭pureza


    I’m not so sure

    The dollar is $1.18 today

    It was $1.16 in December

    So 1% drop in value over 40 days,it dipped to $1.20 for a day and has risen since

    It’s fallen 18% roughly in a year

    I think if milk price drops were at only 18%,dairy farmers would be very happy vs now



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