Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

1799800802804805858

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Predictions about the end of the Crimean bridge are almost as common as predictions about the Russian economy collapsing. Alas, the wait continues for both...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The Ukranians have better things to be doing with their long-range weaponry than disrupting traffic to Crimea across one bridge. E.g., several hundred km beyond the Kerch strait:

    Three oil rigs in the Caspian Sea disabled overnight, and at a time of year when repairs are particularly difficult to carry out. Still, the silver lining for the Russians is that if they lose many more wells, they won't be needing anywhere near as many shadow fleet tankers or the Black Sea terminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I agree, and never really understood the obsession with the bridge beyond its symbolic value



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Ukraine says fighting in city of Huliapole. Russia is entering the city from the northwest and the southwest. Video starts in 2 hours.

    The situation in Huliaipole in the Zaporizhzhia region remains one of the most difficult on the front line. Fighting continues in the city. The city of Huliaipole is located in the Zaporizhzhia region and remains one of the key points on the southern front. It lies along a potential axis of advance for Russian forces toward Orikhiv and Zaporizhzhia, as well as near important logistics routes. The spokesperson for Ukraine’s Southern Defense Forces told RBC-Ukraine about the situation in the city.Huliaipole has become a large gray zone, with extensive destruction and very few places suitable for holding defensive positions. This is why such fighting is ongoing there: for example, an assault group advances, carries out assault actions, tries to move a certain distance, and Ukrainian troops destroy it.The same situation applies to operations by Ukraine’s Defense Forces, "When we conduct search-and-strike or assault actions, we advance a certain distance, secure ourselves at some facility, and try to bring in a consolidation group. But the enemy does not allow us to entrench ourselves in specific buildings, streets, or blocks."Vladyslav Voloshyn, spokesperson for Ukraine’s Southern Defense Forces noted that Ukrainian assault groups are present in all parts of the city, just like Russian ones. Russian forces are entering the northwestern and southwestern parts of the city. Ukrainian forces are operating in all parts of Huliaipole, trying to cut off enemy logistics and prevent the Russian army from bringing in consolidation groups."In addition, the enemy is not operating only within Huliaipole itself — it is trying to envelop the city from the north and south. Fighting is also ongoing for the Huliaipole railway station, which is located on the outskirts of the city. Equally fierce battles are taking place on the northern outskirts, in the settlements of Zelene and Varvarivka," Voloshyn said."Every day we record about 20–25 combat engagements in Huliaipole itself and up to another ten or two dozen on the outskirts, in these settlements," the spokesperson for Ukraine’s Southern Defense Forces said, adding that on January 5, 64 combat engagements were recorded — more than in the Pokrovsk direction.In addition, the enemy is using aviation, carrying out strikes with guided aerial bombs on Huliaipole and nearby settlements.Despite heavy losses, the Russian army continues active assault operations. According to Voloshyn, they lose approximately 250–300 personnel there every day."Over the last month of the year, the enemy lost more than 10,000 personnel in the south overall, about 70% of them specifically in Huliaipole," he noted.The enemy has already twice changed the composition of the forces and assets of the brigades and units assaulting Huliaipole. To do so, it redeployed units from other directions in order to carry out consolidation. "Fighting continues both on the outskirts and in the city center. Combat engagements can last 45–50 minutes. In practice, there are about 25 engagements per day. There is constant noise and shooting: some units go on the assault, others follow. Drones and artillery are also operating," Voloshyn told RBC-Ukraine.The Russian troops are trying to enter the city center but cannot hold positions there, so they move around through nearby settlements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Weren't we told this city was taken weeks ago ?

    Just like Pokrovsk, Kupiansk, Myrnograd,… ?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭Field east


    did you forget to put the comma in between Nuuk and Greenland????????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭Field east


    would it not be great value for money anyway to take it out as well as the symbolism of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    It would just be rebuilt within a week. I really think hitting military targets is the better use of weapons, although I would also very much support Ukraine attacking Russian civilian energy infrastructure during winter to give the Russian population a taste of what Ukrainians have to endure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That really depends on what part of the Kersk Bridge is hit.

    kersk.jpg

    If the AFU are sharp about this, they would be going for the large central span in the middle of the bridge and get that structure to fall into the sea.

    That could take out the road link, the rail link and depending on where it lands it could blockade the Azov Sea to all Russian shipping.

    Damaging that part of the bridge is not going to be fixed in just a week. It could take them several weeks to just clear the fallen bridge itself, not to mention replacing / repairing it. That would have been a big ask for pre-war Russia…but these days? I don't fancy their chances.

    What would end up happening is they'd have to reactivate the old Ferry terminals and hope that they have enough sea-worthy Ro-ro Ferries to run that route again. Even if they can manage that, logisitics would be slowed down quite a bit and bad weather might stop up transport entirely on certain days.

    It's worth Ukraine's time to take out the bridge, but they should save it for when it provides the best tactical payback. Right now, it might be too early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I hope he dies screaming. But I'll believe it when I see it. He's another one whose demise has been talked as imminent for a few years.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I've been advocating that (removal of US bases) since Trump first started his tub thumping over a year ago.

    How can you militarily invade territory of a bloc when you have very expensive assets located in bases scattered around that bloc? Only with a brass neck. I presume he's dialling up the rhetoric so that when he moves to de facto take Greenland without force everyone will be relieved at the 'deal' he's done with them. I hope this is the line in the sand that the Europeans finally draw.

    At the end of the day, Donnie will be gone in less than a few years and quite likely hamstrung domestically in a year. I can't imagine his successor will be allowed as much leeway to destroy almost 100 years of alliance building based on some OAP's business hunch. No need to burn bridges with the US in the meantime, but equally no need to keep bending over for him and his lackeys as then enrich themselves and their offshore buddies.

    Please god European leaders grow a pair of balls and finally show the Globe that just because we don't seek empire building doesn't mean we can be f**ked around. Collectively we're an incredibly strong bloc - population, wealth, militarily, science, technology… we should start to remind people of that.

    Post edited by Paddigol on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Can't remember if I posted the link previously (and can't find it now) but some YouTuber suggested that the bridge is, for the time being, more valuable to Ukraine intact as it provides an easy way for Russian settlers to leave.

    Since the start of the "SMO" Crimea has become more of an albatross around Russia's neck than a crown jewel. It takes a disproportionate amount of manpower and defence equipment to sustain the occupation compared to Donetsk, for example, because losing it would be calamitous for Putin. Unfortunately for him, the Ukrainians are now well able to batter military installations on the peninsula, and do so several days of every week.

    With the Ukrainians no extending their regular attacks into Russia proper, with consequent disruption to the supply-lines over the Kerch strait, there will come a time when life for most Russian settlers in Crimea is insupportable, and making a one-way trip over the bridge back to Mother Russia is their only hope for a tolerable future. It would be in Ukraine's interest to see the pro-Russian population of Crimea reduced to the bare minimum.

    If the Donbass and other recently invaded areas areto be made a de-militarised zone under any peace settlement, there's a good argument for including Crimea in that too. The long Putin drags his feet, the stronger that argument becomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I hope so too, but like you say it's about the fifth time his imminent death has been reported. Along with Putin's "three months to live" at the start of the war and last year's rumours that Lavrov had been disposed of - it's safe to say these ghouls are pretty resistant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭thomil


    As far as I can see, it all dates back to the early days of the 2022 invasion. Prior to Russia’s conquest of most of the territory east of the Dnipro, the Kerch bridge was the only reliable supply line into Russian-occupied Crimea. Back then, taking out the bridge could have made a real difference. Russia has since used its occupied territories to establish new supply lines that bypass the bridge, but its reputation as a vital supply line seems to endure.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The bridge is far more important than you seem to realise. You should check out the enormous lengths the Orcs have gone to to try and protect it. While the Orcs do have an overland supply route via the occupied territories, it's extremely shaky and it's well within strike range. The Kerch bridge, particularly the rail element, is the main logistical supply route for not just Crimea, but for all the Orcs southern forces.

    Most military materiel sent to Crimea gets there via rail. With the bridge gone and attacks on the land route, Crimea is basically cut off and Orc forces in Zaporizhzhia Oblast will face considerable resupply difficulties. The Kerch bridge is a safe high volume supply route for an enormous fraction of the whole front, nothing can replace it if it's lost.

    Look at any map of drone routes used to bombard Ukraine and you will see that a lot of them are launched from Crimea and Zaporizhzhia. Take out the Kerch bridge and the Orcs lose this launch site due to the logistics of getting the drones there. This would take pressure off Odessa and the important Romanian border supply route which is the shortest one, since these are being attacked from Crimea. The Orc army in the South is largely supplied logistically from Crimea via the bridge. Take out the bridge and Orc logistics for their southern forces go to pieces.

    Drones from Crimea.jpeg

    Those launch sites east of Kherson are likely being supplied with Shaheds delivered via Crimea and the bridge.

    As for it just being rebuilt - unlikely. It took the Orcs 10 months to repair the damage from the original truck bomb. The bridge was built by a German firm. If the main span is taken out, that's probably it, they won't be fixing that inside of several years. They are letting large communities freeze for want of spending 4 seconds worth of war expenditure to fix the heating infrastructure, which suggests they are financially strapped. Do they have the worthless roubles to spare to fix major damage to the bridge? How many Orcs are going to freeze because of the enormous cost of even attempting major repairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I also think the Kerch bridge and others are more than just bridges. Bridges have a very important psychological place in our minds, more so than most other types of infrastructure. So much that 'bridge' is both a noun and a verb. It's present in many phrases and idioms, eg. "to bridge a divide" and "burn our bridges behind us".

    The Kerch bridge symbolises the "belonging" of Crimea to Russia. Break the bridge and it symbolises that Crimea is no longer connected to Russia, even if they do have an alternative land bridge. If Putin is unable to fix a broken Kerch, it's an irrefutable, visible reminder of his powerlessness and decline to his people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I accept all the above about the bridge having both some practical and symbolic value. But they hit it once in spectacular fashion and still the damage didn't take long to repair. It's now incredibly well protected. Great if they could completely destroy it. Bit I doubt that's at all likely so in the meantime makes sense to focus elsewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭Field east


    if the ferry or/ and over land are used when the bridge is out of action for, say 4 months are Russian goods / soldiers. Then more ‘ accessible to Ukr drones , etc%?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭ElektroToad


    I think the calculus is that most of the lightweight Ukrainian drones get better bang for their buck on "soft targets" like Russian power infrastructure or highly flammable, unprotected oil refineries or ammo dumps. It also adds the psychological factor of bringing the war to Russian soil.

    Maybe that's why the Ukrainians aren't so pushed about Kerch bridge anymore. Its too much effort to knock out without a clear cut pay-off, especially now that the Russians have the established a new railway link on the mainland. For that new railway, they are probs better off relying on low-level sabotage via partisans or undercover operatives.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    I saw a video of him a few months back and he looked real sick. I'm no doctor but I'd guess kidney failure or something rotting inside him by the looks of him.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,642 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The holy trinity. Him, Putin and the Crimea Bridge

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭Field east


    if Ukr were to have a ‘SHOT’ at the Krish bridge I suggest that it does so at both ends on the assumption that most / all the supplies to repair it have to come from The RF mainland. So, for example , if it takes the Russians 3 months to fix the Russian end it cannot start fixing the Crimean end , which may take another 3 months, until the Russian end is ‘up and running ‘

    In summary the bridge is out of action for hopefully 6 months. Wonder would that put a significant dent in supplying Chrimea especially re military annd fuel requirements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I've no inside knowledge on how much protection from attack putin has stationed around his bridge to protect it but all the resources he stations there to keep the armed forces of Ukraine from taking it out are resources not available to protect other parts of his empire. It may be that the Ukrainians see it as better to leave the bridge intact at this time so its easier to hit other targets that they may see have more strategic or tactical value. Reports an ammo dump caught fire in occupied Makiivka and a thermal power plant was hit in the Rostov region.

    image.png

    image.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Can we just get rid of Hungary and Slovakia and let them go beg for money from their beloved master in the Kremlin?


    Slovakias turn tonight of standing in the way of funding for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    RFU (Reports from Ukraine) says Ukrainian forces crushed Russian positions west of the Oskill River. This is the river in Kharkiv that divides Kupiansk.

    Screenshot 2026-01-13 025707.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭macraignil


    A number of posts here have tried to dismiss putin's terrorists as stupid but there are definite signs that their attacks are evolving over the course of this war and we all need to take them more seriously. Here is a report of newly modified Shahed drones that can carry an anti aircraft missile as well as their kamikaze warhead so they can at the same time as target innocent civilians play a role in weakening air defense.

    The numbers of unmanned air vehicles being launched at Ukraine is phenomenal with yesterdays numbers showing that the armed forces of Ukraine needed to deal with 300 times more UAVs than tanks. Its the first time I remember seeing the daily UAV elimination number almost equal the troop casualty number amongst putin's terrorists.

    image.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Ukraine say they killed 15,000 Russians with FPV drones in July, in September the number was 17,000. In December the number jumped to 32,000

    yes Russia are strapping manpads to Geran drones… yes it’s just another botch job that they’ve come up with to try and inflict more damage with the best of what they have….

    So on 1 hand they are doing this, yet they are also attaching Starlink antennas to donkeys…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,642 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Surely thats a waste of resources. Sounds cool and all, but has the Geran been able to actually use it or was it a once off?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,642 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



Advertisement
Advertisement