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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Happy Christmas and New Year to everyone

    It looking more and more likely that there will be a 30% evasion rate based on Dee Forbes 14% evasion rate in 2019.

    Of course that doesn't take into consideration the increased number of households and I believe the number is fudged by the numbers on the household package that provides a TV licence.

    Total sold so far this year in comparison to the same time in previous years.

    2025

    2024

    2023

    2022

    TOTAL

    746,907

    -24,580

    771,487

    -25,304

    796,791

    -120,768

    917,559

    Forecast

    2025

    2024

    2023

    2022

    TV Licence Sales

    770,654

    792,242

    824,278

    947,924

    Evasion Rate

    30%

    28%

    25%

    14%

    Fall since 2022

    -19%

    -16%

    -13%

    0%

    Sales to Date Comparison

    746,907

    771,487

    796,791

    917,559

    Change since 2022

    -19%

    -16%

    -13%

    0%

    Post edited by RoTelly on

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Do the numbers take into account the number of non-national (and national) households that do not have a television set that meets a definition requiring a licence? I used to live in a neighbourhood dominated by renters, where televisions were non-existent, instead computer screens & mobiles with internet access meant streaming services over IP, they have no desire (or reason) to access RTE.

    There is fierce competition for eyeballs in the IP streaming space, within 5 years even satellite TV infrastructure will be dismantled that will have an impact, if you don't have fast internet you are effectively back to two channel TV land as services move to infrastructure where viewers are. That change in infrastructure alone means the numbers or licences within the current definition falls.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    living in an area of high migration all have flat screen TVs, only renters without a big screen TV seem to be students or sharing accommodation. Most families have a TV. At least that seems to be the case.

    I think even if that is at 10% it only slightly fudges the figures also if you remove them the evasion rate increases.

    Also businesses have had to pay the TV licence since 2009.

    Regardless ultimately the big increase is not about declining TVs.

    Perhaps that’s what KB4 would like us to think.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    So is Dee still alive? Surely she'd be dead by now if she was that ill? If she's not dead, why isn't she answering questions?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I assume she is, no reason for her personally to answer any questions, same for Jim Jennings.

    Hopefully both will get well soon.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I would say it's eerily quiet around montrose these days ,just a few security guys with their flashlights ...world war 3 could start and there might be a report on it next week or so ..repeat after repeat after prerecorded filler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    RTE News channel showing a repeat of nationwide when there is a major fire in Switzerland

    Shocking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,935 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Is Dee still sick?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I think her doctor put 7th January on her cert, but unfortunately left out the Year 🥸🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ News Now is a pointless service.

    Even if it is a rebroadcast of RTÉ ONE and Radio 1, it shows that RTÉ across radio and tv have very little to provide in terms of news and current affairs.

    They just add omnibus editions of Nationwide with no really reason or schedule.

    It looks dreadful, tickers only removed during live events or mass! but they have no way to have a ticker during these events with the time.

    You never know she might pop her head out for the "100 YEAR CELEBRATIONS"

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Who actually watches RTE?
    Broadband and a Google box here in every room bar the jacks

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Who pays for RTÉ?

    Can you get RTÉ on Broadband and the Google box?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,935 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Yep, what’s your point though? I don’t download the app and nor do I view RTE.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    My point is that you should care what they are producing regardless of if you are viewing it, because at the end of the day it is your money and "your public service media".

    At the end of the day even if you don't watch RTÉ you should be able to say, "at least they are spending the public's money correctly and on a good service even if that service isn't for me."

    The problem is even viewers of RTÉ can't say this.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    It’s not something that I actually care about due to the reasons that RTE’s output is and alway has been tripe.

    Admittedly I do put an aerial in my LG for Ireland games about twice a year but the news I watch on my Android is from Virgin at 5.30pm daily.

    Saorview in Ireland is bare to the bone compared to the UK and if channels were to increase on that then paying for our licence would be justified.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Saorview is largely just there because the EU mandated that analogue close.

    I'd had said way back when here on boards.ie that largely speaking it would consist of the 4 Irish channels RTÉ1, N2, TV3 and TG4 (as they were then). And we really haven't got much more save for 2 children's channels (both replicas of their main channels), 3 +1 channels and VMTV channels that replicate themselves and could just be one HD channel, I guess we are lucky to have the 2 sky channels the way things went.

    I don't expect Saorview to have had the same number of channels as the UK, but look at any similar sized nation and you will see a broader range of TV channels and broadcasters. Though that era is on the way out, if not gone.

    I doubt anyone will even mention the last 25 years of digital broadcasting in Ireland during the Centenary celebrations, and its failure (both DAB and DTT).

    But back to RTÉ's output has always been tripe largely due to their waste and lack of risk taking on programming. And this is just continuing.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I mention this in another another thread

    So in the end just 768,657 household paid the licence, this compares to 947,924 back in 2022.

    That's an increase of 179,267 not paying up.

    Households in Ireland 1.8m

    Households on the Household benefit package circa 500,000

    Households without a TV circa 10% (which I don't believe)

    Total who should be paying the license fee 1,120,000

    Evasion rate 351,343

    31%

    Well done Dee Forbes you managed to Double the evasion rate!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Daft Punk -


    RTE have to start spending a bit more I would like to revise my earlier stance on that front. From merely a content point of view, if they aren’t spending and investing in good international and American series and mainly their own produced content with Irish presenters, the public will lose interest in RTE and stop listening and watching. 

    I am particularly miffed with the standard of D list 80’s movies and English produced dog dirt they have aired since the barter ac scandal. And the double film slot on Friday night after the Late Late is gone also. Note to RTE do not air dog sh1te if they want licence fees to rise again. Spend more if they want licence fees to rise again. If they cut spending the tide will go out permanently.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You have to remember that RTÉ believe that their content was good during the 7 years of Dee Forbes and Moya Doherty and the only thing wrong was governance. KB4 is only approaching it from this front, he is not great at taking criticism.

    Look at his defense of the €100k news promo, which is little used.

    They also believe that RTÉ was good prior to this and that really from a content point of view nothing really needs to change. It's purely about holding on.

    KB4's new direction is little more that D4B's Strategy 2024.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You have to admit that Roger Childs' article is the Sunday Indo just shows how good everyone is in RTÉ.

    He was the former Commissioning Editor for Religions Programming at RTÉ.

    He's left RTÉ under the redundancy scheme and now has a independent production company called Childs Play. As soon as he gets his first commission it will be like he never left.

    I am not sure about the name either but sure what's in a name!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,031 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Unless there was massive inefficiencies in RTE produced programmes, it does beg the question if there is any real saving by these (costly) redundancy packages combined with same content coming from an 'independent' production company.

    Or it seems like a massive bait and switch.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Wrong thread

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Unless there was massive inefficiencies in RTE produced programmes

    Do bears shít in the woods?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,031 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Does the leopard change its spots…

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ are really trying to hide the damage done by the scandal of 2023

    https://businessplus.ie/media-plus/tv-licence-revenue-rte/

    An RTÉ spokesman said: “Please note the decline in the number of households claiming to have a television set, as well as the issue of high TV licence evasion rates, precede events of 2023.

    “RTÉ remains grateful to all those who have continued to pay and to Government for multiannual funding for 2025-2027.

    “Funding provided RTÉ with greater certainty and allowed us to plan ahead and continue to transform RTÉ.

    You just have to take a look at their annual reports to show that

    1. Declining TV Licence Revenue was not happening
    2. That they did have certainty on their annual funding

    2013

    182.4*

    2014

    178.6*

    2015

    178.9*

    2016

    179.1*

    2017

    186.1*

    2018

    189.1

    2019

    196.3

    2020

    196.6

    2021

    196.1

    2022

    195.6

    As you can see by 2022 Licence fee revenue was up since 2013, it dropped in 2014, but continued to regain ground from 2014. But RTÉ over those 10 years would have know that they were at least guaranteed 170m per year.

    *a portion of the licence fee went to TG4 from 2011 TO 2017, this was to fill that gap after the government in 2011 decided to cut TG4 funding from the exchequer.

    Also note that all of the above figures exclude the 7% that goes to the Sound and Vision Fund (BCI/BAI and now CnaM's scheme).

    Post edited by RoTelly on

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Barry Cummins has left RTÉ also but he says "Today is a very significant day in my professiona career…. I have left RTÉ. This defining decision has been made following months of consideration"

    Anyway good luck to him. That's at least 2 any others from RTÉ saying their good byes.

    Wonder how Dee Forbes is today?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The Irish Times has just stated:

    RTÉ’s chief financial officer has resigned from her post to take up a position outside of the national broadcaster.Mari Hurley took up the role in August 2024 after the previous chief financial officer, Richard Collins, left in the wake of a controversy over RTÉ payments, including to presenter Ryan Tubridy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    Kevin says she was “meticulous in dealing with legacy issues as we put a robust governance framework in place for the future”.

    She probably hit too much internal resistance and decided to pack in the Job. I wonder will she get 'redundancy' like the former CFOs Breada O' Keeffe's 450,000?

    https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-chief-financial-officer-mari-hurley-resigns-from-post-6928405-Jan2026/



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