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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Of course it is. And should be sanctioned. Not just Grok though, right? That would be pointless.

    Grok, as the link I posted shows, have apologised for the images of minors and said they'll stop - like the others. Not very effectively, apparently, but again that's true for all of them. So why is Twitter the only one that is causing such outrage that its possible banning is being pushed in Westminster? Could it possibly be that some people want to shut down twitter for another reason altogether?

    Because I think what they really want to ban is stuff like this:

    If they cared about protecting children, why do you think that there is no equivalent outrage about a child being sexually abused by their parents on a pay-per-view internet site? No hurry to debate banning such sites in parliament.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭chrisd2019




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Isn't it performative to claim there is degrees of CSAM when the specific sector itself is incredulous.

    And the reason someone is making it performative is solely to protect a preferred website / owner . Because 'cool'.

    Like on the face of it that entire premise is bananas.

    Your bartering on creation and distribution with child material. It's all bad all of it.

    F ...... Me !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I never said it should just be grok, in fact I explicitly said it should be all platforms. Btw, you're wired article never illustrated that other platforms currently have the issue of being used to generate CSAM.

    Did I say that it was? I obviously think any parents doing that should be prosecuted along with the owners of the platform. There's nobody saying that's remotely okay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's all bad and yet children being physically abused by their parents for internet users has existed for literally years. Pictures being manipulated by AI to show women naked has existed for weeks. Guess which one is the subject of an attempt to ban one such producer, and only one of them at that?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well duh: if they had done so, they couldn't post that they had, because that would put them in legal jeopardy. I presume they didn't even try - but if they can't prevent women's pictures from being used (and the article said they couldn't/didn't) then why would they be able to do it with children's pictures? Or do you mean they are only making a pretence of banning such pictures of women, and are just paying lip service?

    Twitter has also said that it is not going to allow the use of images of children so is much the same as the other sites now. Only Reddit, AFAICT, has actually banned such images in an effective way.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Any site that has kids being abused is already illegal though and authorities actively work to close these down and prosecute the owners - you’re making it sound like it’s something people haven’t cared about until Musk was implicated and nobody has attempted to ban it until now.

    And obviously any genAI tool that produces CSAM/revenge porn/anything illegal basically should be sanctioned, and banned if they show no intent to follow the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    And yet that's not what happens in practice. These sites operate with near impunity, and yet there's panic over twitter.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    So at least we all share the opinion that twitter/x should be sanctioned for CSAM. That is good to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Panic?

    Alot more than panic brother, Canada UK and Australia are coming together to come up with a ban

    Here's hoping charges are drafted against staff working in those locations. The chickens are coming home to roost. Killing moderation of any kind, actively promoting subversion of democracys around the world by promoting specific content, building an AI agent specifically designed to amplify speech beyond it's common data set and then purposely designing it to facilitate the creation of porn from CP to revenge as a feature.

    The chickens are roosting .

    The false equivalency to companies that actively have staff in place to eliminate all of the above is as hilarious as is it obvious.

    Hopefully the EU join this pact and the site gets killed off, there's a strong argument it's the source of much of the global disruption right now and I don't make that statement lightly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    And yet porn sites which are creating a generation of sexually abused children in our playgrounds is just “Can’t do anything about that. Muh freedom of speech!”

    Says it all really.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ?

    What is it about the modern right wing that they have to have such spectacularly bad takes on, literally, everything?

    I kinda miss old fashioned Conservatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Remember when all the paedo stories came out of Roblox and the U.K. government banned it?!

    Me neither.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Wait, Roblox has no moderation team? And hasn't taken any action to look into people trying to DM kids?

    And they built a tool to strip people naked ?

    Where is this news ! Can you send it on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's a real undercurrent of noncery in American Conservatism from the child beauty pageants to child marriages to their overwhelming support for Trump. Naturally, the protect are women and children brigade aren't just silent but fully supportive.

    I miss them as well. I wonder if it wasn't something to do with the Second World War and a sense of duty. Here in the UK, we'd have called it One Nation Conservatism though it dates back to Benjamin Disraeli. Now we have Badenoch, Farage and a horde of culture war grifters.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Grift is the only accurate way to describe this 'political' movement. Conservatism is essentially dead in the UK most of its ideals and attributes now promoted oddly enough by labour.

    In some ways there's an argument that the consolidation of wealth and extreme means to keep it are the root causes of pay for play in politics and the ease of manipulating political hopefuls by dangling meagre sums at them .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think old school conservatives like Reagan and Thatcher would turn in their graves if they could see they were replaced with people who basically have a policy of f**k business, who dont care if destroy the world economy.

    Will be interesteing to see who Elon supports after Trump leaves the stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's actually funny how desperate some men are to dismiss child protection except when it can be exploited to get at something or someone they don't like for entirely different reasons.

    Pointing out a pattern is not whataboutery.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep. Nail meet head.

    That's the thing. Flawed as those figures were, they were deeply supportive of a global order and free trade.

    I'd say Vance is the logical successor to Trump and most likely to win Musk's backing, for a while at least. MAGA isn't really a movement about stability and pragmatism so I do expect something of a meltdown.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It's interesting how you've said or done nothing to condemn any of it at all.

    And just pointed around with a but but but.

    As a man doing the pointing, that's quite interesting when you consider it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's somewhat weird... They're big on child protection but don't you dare go against the politically influential xenophobe and racist. That's just a step too far....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Again: child protection issues don't have to be exactly the same to matter - what counts is whether children are being put at risk. Roblox didn't respond appropriately until forced to - but nobody brought the issue to parliament to ban them all the same.

    If people only get outraged about one form of abuse, but are "Meh what can you do?" about others that are as harmful or worse, it's worth considering whether there might be other factors at play in their claims to be concerned. And guess what? Elon Musk!

    You must have missed where I said that Twitter and/or Musk should of course be sanctioned. More than once even. I'm just cynical as to why this particular instance of abuse is getting a certain section of society so up in arms when worse abuses are met with indifference.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'd have zero issues closing down Roblox.

    Legs it to the door of the next but but but but



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    You're not in Westminster though AFAIAA. Are you?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Roblox is just a game, right? X is a platform designed to promote racist and fascist content. They're not really the same thing. I smell another whataboutery.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    There is a cult of personality around Elon now and that is more dangerous than MAGA as Trump is old and doesn't have an obvious like for like successor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I think this news item passed me by, but why is Roblox worse than Call of Duty or any other game where adults can send inappropriate messages to children?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    i don't know if it's worse or not, but I'd guess there's an awful lot more young children playing Roblox than pretty much any other game



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