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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,629 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    CNN slowed down the original footage last night and showed that the killer reached for his gun even before the car started to move. Looks very much like his intention was to prevent her leaving the scene (by whatever means necessary), not that he feared he was going to be struck by the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    3.1 million ICE deportations in 8 years of Obama.

    Across four years of Trumps first term, the Trump administration recorded fewer than 932,000 deportations.

    605k deported in 2025, you'd imagine those numbers will drop off in the next 3 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If she had floored the accelerator she might still be alive now.

    Those cowards murdered her in cold blood. A complete sucker punch. Utterly indefinsivle

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    To be fair, the lady who was killed and her wife were being mouthy and seemed to be making life a bit difficult for the ICE agents. It's probably not the smartest thing to do particularly in this environment.

    But for anyone to claim that the response was justified? That's mind boggling. For the President of the US to lie about it was unthinkable pre-Trump. I saw two press conferences with law enforcement officials and they described something that never happened. They're absolute scum for doing that.

    The gaslighting and pushing of false narratives from the very top in the US is terrifying. Just listening to Trump talk about Greenland. He's trying to spread fear with this China and Russia nonsense. Colin Powell at least presented a case to invade Iraq. This clown just throws out big empty statements his base are incapable of critically evaluating.

    Like the Israelis just waited years for an excuse to inflict genocide on Gaza, there is a section of society in the US who just needed a catalyst to try and use their might to bully the rest of the world because at their core, generally, the US is a very selfish, arrogant and power hungry country. And that catalyst was Trump.

    God forgive me but the worst thing that happened this planet in recent years is that the gunman didn't hit Trump right between the eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,288 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    She was murdered for being a bit too mouthy to an armed goon. In every other situation, that goon would be in jail pending trial for murder but not in Trumps US, the goon is lauded by the braindead



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    As her wife is saying to Ross “you wanna come at us” - this still shows him transferring his phone from his right hand to his left hand. This is the precise moment he decides to commit this murder.

    killing.jpeg


    He takes a few steps to place himself in front of the car – which is an act that has been ‘officially prohibited' by a 2012? DHS report (where dozens of shootings happened before the report in those exact circumstances). As has been pointed out already, shooting at a driver is ‘not allowed’ anyway.
    The other co-conspirator ICE agent approaches from the other direction barking “get out of the car”. Both know exactly what they’re doing – because it is a well practiced murder set-up.
    As she starts to leave, she fully locks the steering wheel right which he can see because we can see it in all the videos- so he knows he is in no danger.

    Trump & other officials saying the opposite of what everyone (except Pavlovian chronically obedient right wingers) can clearly see is a -rubbing salt in the wounds- provocation for USians .

    I agree with others who say this is the US gov’t (ruling class) doing all they can to provoke a (disorganised) violent uprising, which they expect to be able to crush with extreme disproportionate violence. When you read history books (No not THOSE history books), they know that when they instigate a war starting off with vast advantages – they can control the outcome with more certainty.

    Its looking more like these Trump mass-scale immigration raids are merely the cover story the US gov’t selected to instigate the outcome they want.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,049 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    What? There is no way the US would turn a blind eye to Russia or China taking over Greenland. There would be an immediate all out war. Take the Cuban Missile crisis as an example. The US would go to all out war to stop another superpower parking next door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,234 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Sorry put your post is very naive - cops in the US do not shoot out the tyres. This isn't Holywood.

    She was not trying to get away from anyone - she inserted herself into this situation. She didn't just find herself on that road she is part of a group that follows ICE agents and tries to disrupt them.

    She was blocking them from their job therefore committing a crime. One tried to open her door as she refused to get out - they were trying to arrest her.

    Instead she refused and drove into a federal agent who responded to her wheels spinning, turning into him and her wife egging her on saying "drive baby drive". That agent will face no charges as he was legally justified to defend himself.

    You do know in the US there is a history of people using vehicles to harm and/or kill police officers don't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,234 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    I disagree - from the videos and online slow-down of video (with audio) from different angles i think the agent was 100% justified in shooting the lady.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Trump, MAGA et al are the manifestation of ego, greed, selfishness, cruelty that's all around us because of the economic model we subscribe to or have been subscribed to by others.

    It's reached a nadir now, and the shocking thing is that we can watch it now in real time and HD. We didn't notice so much or turned a blind eye when it was happening across decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,656 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Cops in the US are not supposed to shoot in such a scenario. That's according to DHS policy. Your grounds to shoot are pretty terrible TBH. In most democracies that results in a conviction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    could there be civil cases for slander made by the deceased party’s estate?


    If we have reached the era that certain posters don’t even express sadness for the orphaned child and just accept the boys will be boys narrative, then I fear for society



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    We're the same species that burned witches in the town square and gassed millions for being Jewish.

    You'd like to think we're more liberal and understanding in our comfortable lifestyles,but in reality we'd all kill for the last tin of Beans if we had to.

    We adapt to our surroundings.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Shockingly, it turns out performative cruelty is not only grotesque, but also deeply inefficient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    Didn't the Sandy Hook families win their case against that loon who was making out that it was staged and hadn't happened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 959 ✭✭✭JPCN1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This guy should have been let go from his job, when he was convicted of sexually assaulting his stepdaughter. He then wouldn't have been there to kill anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think you will always have sociopaths that express no sympathy or even empathy for a person being killed. I'm not sure why other posters engage with them here, they are never going to change their minds or their personality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    People on-line and in the US are doing the 'boys will be boys', 'its her fault', line for a number of reasons.

    1. They are dedicated MAGA who will defend the god-king to the end, regardless of how stupid it is.
    2. They are incel types who are going to blame her anyway.
    3. They are bots.
    4. They are trouble stirers who are actually in Asia/Africa etc.
    5. They are right wing online troglodites who just repeat what they are told.
    6. They are contrarians and (think they are) devils' advocates, mostly that makes them trolls.

    The few that can come up with something resembling an argument beyond the 'don't believe your eyes/its all a leftie plot' may be worth arguing with, the rest, just ignore, though they are a dangerous undercurrent of hate and idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭fish fingers


    I'm the same, this is my first time in here this year and it's sad how far some people will go to excuse murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,067 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Genuinely suspect there was malfeasance with the electronic voting machines. The voting trends were entirely out of band, and frankly unbelievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I think you may be confusing the killer with the guy he apprehended in June?(the one who dragged him with his car -from a very quick google search)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    To quote Alfred Pennyworth

    “Some people just want to watch the world burn”

    I think they look at their lives and want to blame the world for everything that is wrong with their life's and they are all caught in online hate algorithms that reinforce those views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭fish fingers


    You need to take a long look at yourself in the mirror. He could very easily have let her go and followed up later. He was in no danger whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I dont think its right to shoot someone in this situation but cops in America have been doing it for as long as ive been paying attention.

    I hate the way MAGA gets used to try and make out its only lately America has turned into a $hithole. Its always been one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    You mean like the 'this shouldn't have happened but I won't be loosing any sleep over the passing of Charlie Kirk' types which we saw a lot of in this thread and forum!?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    My understanding is they sued for emotional distress and proved he lied intentionally.

    Defamation is brought by someone seeking protection of their good name. Your good name can't bother you if you've passed.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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