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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭scuba8


    These are the regulations regarding vehicles. There is no way he can justify the shooting.

    This is a murder plain and simple.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,268 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The lady was killed because of the culture created by trumps team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    What sort of stupid question is this? Normal people dont think that committing political assassinations is their "sworn duty", regardless of how they might feel about the politican in question. Imagine the pasting anyone would get on here if they posted similar sentiments about biden. Even at the lowest point of his popularity, there wasnt discourse like this being bandied about.

    The amount of people who dont even live in the US becoming completely unhinged over Trump is just bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    There is a very good chance he will not accept losing the midterms, and might pull another January 6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They'd definitely face no consequences under Trump, for one, so any possible prosecutions would indeed be down the track. However, the last Democratic government showed itself as being utterly toothless in prosecuting anyone of consequence for Jan 6. Their whole thing is about being the adults and lowering the tone - something a bit incongruous with prosecuting anyone in MAGA because they scream 'lawfare' if the wind blows slightly wrong. I'm not particularly hopeful that it would be significantly different in another administration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    Sorry to break it to you but the attached post would be considered unhinged by probably at least 80% of Irish people. You're hardly in a position to accuse anyone of that.

    What is your opinion on the death of Ashley Babbit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I think the woman may have been killed because they see the anti -ICE movement as something for the opposition to coalesce around and to grow from.

    So they attempt to cowe anyone involved and when this is not completely successful they resort to extreme measures like what happened.

    This man seems to have lost his temper but probably knew he was running a thin line and did not care because the woman was part of a group that had been demonized and he felt comfortable/holy going with the crowd and exacting extreme punishment .

    The facts(the above was just my opinion) should come out in an inquiry but they seem determined to prevent this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Re-read what I wrote in the first paragraph, especially the second sentence, slowly and carefully and you might get a better grasp of what I wrote. I did not suggest that the road surface condition had an impact on what happened [eg: the shooting]. I am left with the impression that the three were retreating as the shooting took place, they were getting the hell out of the line of fire. Unless they were totally attentive to Ms Good and her car, they would have observed the shooter drawing his pistol from its holder standing as he was facing toward the front of her car and them seeing as they were close to her car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's interesting that the shooting has not spawned a series of protests and violence like what happened when George Floyd was murdered by that policeman, though perhaps it may happen yet. The 'mitigating' factors sometimes brought up about Floyd's killing (e.g. had a criminal history and drugs present in system) weren't even present this time. She wasn't even killed by a police officer, but some semi-trained paramilitary creep.

    If there were to be a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back type moment, I thought this would be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Phone footage from the murderer’s perspective is now on Twitter. Clear as day you can see her frantically turning the wheel away from him so anyone still saying she tried to run him over is either a bit touched or an outright troll.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,224 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am astounded that people are still justifying the shooting/murder. I cannot really fathom it. That takes some amount of mental gymnastics or something…the world deserves what it gets when some people are that idiotic and so so easily led by clowns.

    Has that creep Vance said anything else to the media since the damning video was shown?

    Has this thread always been like this? I rarely drop in.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Could the colour of her skin be a factor in that? The media has created a perception that the black community proportionally are victims of white law enforcement so it's easier to stir up riots.

    Here's the body cam footage if anyone wants to analyse this perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,212 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,959 ✭✭✭Patser


    I've a question. If the Officer is recording with his phone in one hand, and draws and fires his gun with the other, was the gun already cocked and safety off? He draws and fires within a split second, but never drops phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,629 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    MAGA is a religious cult (or quasi religious cult). They are all part of the same 'tribe' - if it means mental gymnastics or defending the indefensible, then so be it.

    Most revealing aspect for me is that all American citizens outside the cult are now seen as enemies and being disposable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Don’t forget he suffered a life-threatening injury in the process



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,887 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm not sure you possess the intelligence to be a decent psychopath, but thats a judgement for others.

    You say you side with law enforcement. This organisation pictured below was an official law enforcement arm of the state. Would you have sided with them?

    What about the Black and Tans?

    What about the Stasi, the SAVAK, the Ugandan SRB, the Syrian GID, the DINA under Pinochet, or the Santebal who ran the Killing Fields of Cambodia red with blood?

    I'm very deeply embarrassed for the woman who birthed you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Not really the same thing though.

    Floyd was a black man who was murdered by a white police officer. His murder triggered a global series of protests in response to the systematic racism that permeates so much of American society. He was murdered because of racism.

    Renee Good was murdered by ICE, an agency only a few decades old. She was not killed for her ethnicity but because of their capriciousness and proclivity for excessive force. Despite what mainstream American conservatism tells us, there is no anti-white agenda. Nowhere in the United States are white people being persecuted for being white whereas African Americans and other minorities suffer daily.

    ICE was established by the Homeland Security Act of 2002. It largely operated unobserved because of its nature while the US' various police forces have been around for over a century. The former until recently wasn't really associated with anything while the latter are associated with security, stability, aid and protection. Or at least they should be.

    Since Trump won and expanded ICE, it has operated like a cartel gang. They are armed, wear masks like the cowards they are and they essentially disappear people. Good's murder is something like you'd expect in a cartel country. Nobody expects better from ICE so the shock is much less. If there was a protest, it'd just be your standard anti-Trump stuff.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,356 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The reason why there aren't bigger protests is because of fear. People are afraid. Exactly how Trump wants it.

    He has formented a feeling that anyone can be classed as the enemy. Most people will look to keep their heads down, stay out of the way.

    They see a perfect example of a state killing and not only does the government lash out at the victim, but stands fully behind the shooter. Wouldn't this give you pause for thought before going out to protest?

    If they are willing to not only kill, but vilify and white, suburban female citizen imagine what they would do to an actual protester.

    Fear us what keeps all nations under control. Staying, Hitler, Putin, Maduro etc etc. Trump is following the exact same playback.

    And its working exactly as it always does



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm thinking the woman with the camera-phone outside the car talking to an ICE agent is possibly the wife of Ms Good. It's uncertain where the agent from the silver car went to after his verbal exchange with the woman I think is Ms Goods wife, he seems to have disappeared towards the front of Ms Goods car as another agent approached Ms Good's car from the side telling her to [his words] "get the **** out of the car". This foul-tongued agent is seen with two more agents on another video retreating away from the SIDE of Ms Good's car and they are not the agent who opened fire on Ms Good killing her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,386 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    read what I wrote again. This is not the bbc footage, it was all I could find to link. But I see the body cam of the officer is now released. You should have a wee look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Can the wife be heard saying "drive, drive"? When a trusted loved one tells you to do something stupid in a pressurised and stressful situation you could easily make a bad judgement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Some new footage released.

    Very sad outcome but its inflammatory and reckless behaviour by her partner mouthing off like that and then telling her to drive baby drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,959 ✭✭✭Patser


    She almost certainly is. She can be seen with her white hat running immediately after the car in the most famous 1st video of the shooting. There is another video online from a porch of a neighbour, beside where the car crashed, and she's sitting on his path is complete shock, covered in blood and with the dog. Another witness (interviewed by local news) talks about approaching her, and offering to look after the dog.

    In both those latter 2 clips, they mention her saying 'I'm her wife'.

    In this latest clip, from Ross' phone, in the last few seconds she tries to get back into car and shouts at Renee Good to 'drive, drive' - which potentially made Ms Good go a bit faster forward. That would explain why there's a lot of references online the The Wife saying 'It's my fault, it's my fault'. She might (MIGHT, purely my opinion) feel her shouting spooked Renee



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,629 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There are alarming signs of the US very slowly slipping into authoritarianism (something we've seen in Europe dozens of times before). It's not there yet, but people should definitely be concerned - the authoritarians are in charge and are supported by millions of like minded individuals who would be quite happy to live in a repressive country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Do they know collectively that that is the desired response?

    That is why she was killed, to provoke a reaction that will justify martial law (?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's unhinged to say that normal people dont want assassinate politicians? Or to say that you shouldn't try to flee if stopped by law enforcement in the US? And defintely dont drive towards an officer. I would say those are statements of fact tbh. American law enforcement aren't the gardai

    I dont know the ins and outs of the Ashley babbit shooting, just that she was unarmed and in the Capitol building. I mean, she was somewhere she shouldn't have been and I assume disobeyed an order or the officer felt threatened in some way? I dont think either woman should have been killed, and I certainly wouldn't celebrate either death. I haven't seen any of the most recent footage being talked about on here yet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,629 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The incident escalated at extraordinary speed, perhaps in the space of five seconds. It would have been a completely nondescript incident and nothing of note had the agent decided not to fire three bullets into the driver. If she had simply sped away and there was no shooting, the video probably wouldn't even have made it to social media.



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