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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭scuba8


    The training or lack of it isn’t really the problem. The problem is the type os psychopaths who would sign up for ice knowing that they are being sent out on streets to deliberately terrorise communities, to destroy the lives of men women and children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Every country should boycott the WC. That's coming from someone who absolutely loves football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Who’s this one on Sky News blaming immigrants for ICE shooting a woman dead today???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The victim was bisexual so Trump will likely push that as some weird attack line. She was also a mother of a 4 year old, the father of the child is dead. So to all the idiots trying to downplay this. The president is responsible for that child's mother dying. The president has already publicly attacked the victim. The president is responsible for poorly trained idiots roaming around trying to catch potential illegal immigrants and in this case they murdered a US citizen. And I have no doubt that plenty are former proud boys but now they have a badge.

    I'd suggest to the posters downplaying it to give a read of some WW2 memoirs from ordinary people. You had individual rights slowly ebbed away at and in general people would find excuses to justify it. You had minorities targeted and disappeared. They would find more excuses. If you're still excusing this administration at this point, there's likely nothing you won't try to justify.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    None of the three shots came when the car was in front of the officer, two of them entering in the side window well after she had passed him by and he was in no danger whatsoever. One suspects these bozos receive no training whatsoever, but indeed official DHS policy is not to stand in front of cars and also not to shoot at moving vehicles.

    You know more about US legal systems than me, but surely the recent Barnes v. Felix (2025) decision is relevant - if he is a **** idiot putting himself where he shouldn't be that is relevant to the matter as well (as is the fact that their jurisdiction for demanding a US citizen get out of her car is wildly questionable to begin with). Maybe if ICE weren't making a habit of black bagging people and disappearing them for days on end with no judicial recourse people wouldn't be so keen to get away from them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Thankfully I live, like many others in this world, in a civilizes country that respects a free press and does not have an ill-trained, ill disciplined, trigger happy collection of louts - that for all intents and purposes - are this administrations private army lead by a cosplay warrior. You may be fine and dandy with accepting that, but that does not mean anyone with a shred of decency in a civilized country, or even in your present fascist state has too be.

    Their purpose per their title is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Where in that title does it say it is ok to shot a woman multiple times in the face for attempting to drive away from such an in-disciplined, ill-trained mob who on past evidence would have dragged her out of her car and disappeared her for up to months.

    We did have similar force here over 100 years ago for the same purpose as This ICE is being used for. To instill fear and terror into anyone that opposed the then regime`s rule here. They were know as the Black and Tans. Look them up sometime. I`m sure you will have no problem defending their actions either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    watch the video, she didn’t try and run the agent over. He wasn’t in front he was by the side of her car pointing a gun at her so she panicked and drove off, that’s when he shot her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The black and tans were following legal orders

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One wonders if the MAGA cult members will be able to keep a handle on this. Lots of videos of the killing (bad news for the ICE crowd, who would have tried to spin a pack of lies otherwise). ICE are absolutely hated and despised outside the cult….this could be a turning point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Any maga comment I saw is completely blaming her. It doesn’t make any difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    It's unfortunate that so far none of the videos show the victim inside the car. This leaves it open for this Ice agent and/or ice to say she pulled a gun or what looked like a gun on him. I can see this one being rolled out As a reason for his actions??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭King Power Fox


    I hope so but after 10 years how many turning points can Trump ride out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,254 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I would say there are a lot of bots trying to sow division. Some of the comments on Twitter are insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    That poor woman, murdered by the modern version of the Gestapo. And then you have the maga scum calling her a terrorist...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit: It's very hard to reconcile the video with the WHs claims about what happened.

    The woman's car was told to move by an ICE car behind her. She drove away, and ICE then fired into the back windows of the car as it was moving. The car is shown crashing into another vehicle.

    Edit: We don't see it from the front but given there are no seriously injured ICE officers from this incident, I think yet again, Tricia McLaughlin is at best grossly exaggerating and at worst not telling the truth.

    I am probably tougher on illegal immigration in Ireland than most people. But the WH in my opinion is telling a big fat lie. And it's exhausting having to refute their lies. And that's intentional on their part. They want to flood the zone with lies to exhaust the fact checkers.

    They have just released a video of the injured ICE officer after he was discharged. He is walking around and seems fine. Trump claimed it's amazing he's alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also one for all those downplaying it. What possible reason was there to prevent a physician from going to aid the woman? Is it official law enforcement training to prevent medical aid? I'm sure an excuse will be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Still no indication from the Administration as to exactly -how- they plan on doing this, which seems to me to be a significant detail they need to have an answer for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Don’t worry, I’m sure it’ll all be above board and legal…and if it isn’t you can just tell us it is anyway because reasons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭Maxface


    If the ICE agent didn't shoot the woman, he would be as unhurt as he is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Yeah but he wouldn’t be a maga hero. They’ll make him the next Rittenhouse, who famously got his mammy to drive him across state lines with his rifle to murder 2 people in self defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Dumb people are easy to manipulate . The fact that many Americans think they live in a democracy is a astounding example of failed critical thinking…

    The Carl Sagan book from 1995 is coming into clear focus day by day

    “We’ve arranged a civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭no.8


    Think of it rationally with respect to shadow fleet ops and our European security: with the exception of the Finns, these ships have been criminally operating sabotage missions at will in the Baltic and beyond while European leaders stood by and posted their anguish. Tbh, it's about time they face the music for think of the threat that they pose to our state connectivity.

    Having said that, this is absolutely linked to Venezuela from reports and not necessarily other shadow fleet ops, but you must be joking if you think we should side with those who have equal disdain for European norms and infrastructure.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Heaven forbid "the rule of law" should operate. Not just laws you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭somenergy


    I saw the video no agents where injured 2 at the side engaging and 1 towards the front weapon aimed at her, she had her window down so they were communicating while moving slowly.

    Kristi and felon lying about a capured video of course no empathy they will pardon themselves so they are above the law including the boss inhiding after been caught taking 50k in a bag

    MAGA is a racist cult at best



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    They were trigger happy scum with no training in policing that were unleashed on a section of the Irish population that didn`t see eye to eye with their political masters to unleash terror and fear unchecked.

    ICE and the black and tans are two cheeks of the same ass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,815 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I think the Black and Tans were a highly trained black ops unit compared to the dregs in ICE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,549 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    When was the last time your administration gave a solitary fúck about the rule of law, or didn't lie to cover up some brutality?

    Seriously? We had four years of this first time around and it's the same old sh1t this time.

    It is as clear as can possibly be, that Trump has sowed division and stoked hatred into American politics, He has purposefully generated this cauldron of chaos. It is a feature, not a bug.

    ICE were acting appallingly and It was inevitable that eventually, these armed thugs would finally carry out an execution of someone who was white, unarmed, with no record and no gun, on camera and here it is. So all those ridiculous but well used excuses of immediate threats, or smearing the victim because of past crimes, or out and out racism can't be used.

    The same party that tried to decried the shooting of a rioter breaking and entering into the capitol building, are now blaming an innocent unarmed woman in her own car for her own death.

    Go ahead. Try and defend it under the pretense that you care a jot about the rule of law.

    We saw how you bent over backwards to defend the execution of innocent, unarmed men in a boat.

    Your country is run by a racist, fascist, paedophile thug and the idea that you could be naive enough to be surprised at these atrocities coming from the direction he dragged the country in is, or to accept.the word of his cronies when trying to cover such things up, is complete bóllox.

    So, if it isn't nativity, the only other explanation is that you're an apologist for said thug and the resulting actions, so why don't you just come out and own it?

    As to why you're an apologist, it's either because you're blinded by American patriotism or you support his actions. Either way, you're on the wrong side of history.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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