Israel/Palestine Thread

Genocide only seems to be a concern to some when they can blame Jews or Israelis.

Unfortunately a lot of truth there, I’m afraid

Lies will never be the truth, no matter how much you want them to be.

Israel believes in a state ‘from the river to the sea’ ever since Likud made it official party policy in 1977. Israel has moved night and day to keep ‘from the river to the sea’ how things are ever since then. Anybody offended by that slogan when said by Israel’s critics has to explain what Israel itself has done or else look ridiculous.

Sean, seeing as you’re back and replying to posts.

How can you categorically deny that genocide isn’t happening in Gaza?

You’re 100% sure that Russia and China are committing genocide but seem to ponder whether Israel are for some reason. Care to explain?

Israel has hardly been a stalwart ally of Ukraine’s from the beginning of this war.

• 1. Everybody who has ever committed genocide have said they were provoked. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, there is no justification for committing that act. You occupy the same intellectual space as those who tell us October 7th was justified - afterall - provoked, so anything goes?

• Provoked or not these crimes are real, almost all experts in related fields across broad spectrums, both inside Israel and out, are telling us what is happening. How are they all getting it so wrong, often at significant political cost? Give me a feasible argument to discount the evidence and their expertise. Dozens and dozens of organisations have called this, how can you rationally discount them?

2. "Destroying Hamas" is not a legitimate military aim if it us used as a magic phrase to justify flattening residential districts, blockading food, creating a brutal policy of starvation, wrecking hospitals and water systems, shooting children or treating an entire population as guilty, from babies to the elderly, because of where they were born. "None are innocent in Gaza".

Intentional destruction of a group is what genocide law cares about, not whether they have some magic legitimate military aim that lets them do anything. And btw, I had given an alternative strategy to what Israel have done, it was v possible to go on a campaign against Hamas without doing (what we are being told) is a genocide and land grab.

3. Genocide isn’t determined by how many civilians die, it's about whether there’s intent to destroy a group or bring about conditions incompatible with life for that group. It is completely different from the U.S. bombing of Tokyo, which though highly unethical was a wartime strategy, not an intentional campaign to annihilate an ethnic group.

Look at the murderous rhetoric of Israeli politicians (and not just Gvir and Smotrich) - hundreds have been submitted to the ICC in case you missed this - look at the actions of the IDF actions in that light, and argue this isn't intentional. How does all this get ignored by you when you try to weigh this up? Why do you think anybody else should ignore it?

Now I have gone to the effort of addressing your points rationally and logically - please get back to my posts on your motivations behind collapsing Jews worldwide into Israeli state crimes when they have no more say in Israeli policy than we do. It is very clear you are using their vulnerable communities as a shield to prevent Israel being held accountable. Why?

Israel was not provoked. Israel has been conducting ethnic cleansing for more than 85 years. Over a million Palestinians have had their homes and wealth robbed by settlers and been exiled to refugee camps. It is time for the World to tell Israel stop or we will stop you. Palestinians must be allowed to return to their homes and land and given compensation for the terrorism of the Nakba.

West Midland police having to defend their decisions to protect British citizens.

The West Midlands police defended its handling of security assessments around a Europa League match involving Maccabi Tel Aviv and Aston Villa during a parliamentary hearing on Tuesday, amid criticism that police intelligence relied on selective and distorted assumptions.

MPs on the Home Affairs Committee questioned the basis for banning Israeli fans from attending the 6 November fixture, with committee chair Dame Karen Bradley saying the evidence presented by police appeared "one-sided" and suggested officers were "scraping" to justify the decision.

Chief Constable Craig Guildford rejected that characterisation, insisting the risk assessment was grounded in genuine security concerns.

Assistant Chief Constable Mike O’Hara told MPs that police had monitored online activity by individuals claiming to be Maccabi supporters who were "goading local community members" ahead of the match.

"We had people purporting to be Maccabi fans online who were saying 'this is what you're going to get'," O'Hara said, adding that this contributed to what police described as an increasingly volatile atmosphere.

Does she mean the extinction of all Palestinians i.e. the completion of the zionist genocide against Palestinians? If she wrote that about Israelis, would it be hate speech?

Prominent British columnist and broadcaster Melanie Phillips has been criticised for claiming the inauguration of Palestine's embassy in London is an "important moment in the UK's shameful connivance with the Palestinian Arabs' final solution".

In a post on X on Tuesday, Phillips, who writes for The Times, also described the Palestinian embassy as a "non-embassy for a non-state for a non-people".

Scottish historian William Dalrymple responded by saying: "Pure projection by Melanie Phillips, whose anti-Palestinian rants are growing increasingly unhinged of late."

Dalrymple added: "There is only one people who are being ethnically cleansed and driven to the edge of extinction in Israel-Palestine. And it isn't the Israelis."