Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Tony EH · 06-01-2026 05:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123301#Comment_124123301

They were there because of Trump's lies about a "stolen election".

There is no other reason.

Had he not continually lied about that, they wouldn't have gone there in the first place.

Ozymandius2011 · 06-01-2026 05:16PM

Livestream he is speaking now.

https://www.youtube.com/live/cI3Xz2ZB8YQ?si=fZUaxc0exTnF40v7

Virgil° · 06-01-2026 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123223#Comment_124123223

Because a sitting President was dangerously claiming, sans any evidence whatsoever, that the election had been stolen. Nice that you left out the first part of the quote too:

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Many will obviously have read the first part and not bothered with the second.

Heres a nice play of the events:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916

Trump supporters wield flags and weapons. One man stands on a makeshift gallows, complete with a noose. The crowd chants: "Fight for Trump."

Seems like the peacefully and patriotically was missed amid the message to "fight".

I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. … But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order"

He only tweeted this hours after the violent mob had already stormed the capitol building.

And if any more proof is needed that he doesn't actually care about law and order he has since in his second term pardoned all the violent mob anyway.

So to sumarize: He claimed the election was fraudulent, told a crowd to get out in the streets to fight at the capitol building, sat around and watched them assault officers, vandalize the building and search for Mike Pence or any lawmakers they could find. Then pardoned the lot of them.

You're not gaslighting anyone. He incited a mob.

Cody montana · 06-01-2026 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123255#Comment_124123255

It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it.
They rioted because Trump spread b.s. about losing the election.

He was responsible for what happened that days and the lack of action.

The Nal · 06-01-2026 05:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123314#Comment_124123314

Very selective. About 35 minutes after they first breached he tweeted

"Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

and

“I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue.”

So any call to "fight" for freedom, or justice, or family or similar is a call to violence now?

Igotadose · 06-01-2026 05:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123264#Comment_124123264

Heck, his group (remember Ginnie Thomas) paid to send people to DC.

All for a peaceful protest, uhuh. After a speech where he threatened his VP.

Here's the transcript and have a read and tell me he's not inciting. "Fight fight fight" "So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give….But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."

This after an hours worth of 'stop the steal' nonsense going through all the court cases Rudy lost for him and decrying officials like Brian Kemp for not finding him votes.

Frank Bullitt · 06-01-2026 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123223#Comment_124123223

He claimed, and still does, that the election was stolen from him.

That’s why they were there, he wanted Mike pence to not sign off on the election.

That, sir, is why they kicked off and stormed the capital. Belief otherwise is pure ignorance of historical fact.

RoyalCelt · 06-01-2026 05:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123068#Comment_124123068

Where do I even start. Why would biden saying it suddenly justify it? Is he suddenly the rule book? You must have missed the post where I said there's not a single president I liked.

What has the sign up date got to do with it. Is there a time gated rule I'm missing out on here? There's a million things I've not posted about on here.

If you want to talk about what Biden said @ me. I'm not getting into a personal discussion about me it's not what this thread is about.

Ozymandius2011 · 06-01-2026 05:35PM

The Republicans cannot have it both ways after Florida 2000. They have historically defended the role of politicians running elections at state level, even when as back then there were dubious practices.

The Nal · 06-01-2026 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123360#Comment_124123360

Idiotically claiming the election was stolen isnt inciting a riot.

Telling people to riot is inciting a riot.

Wider (and my original) point, liberals/left or whoever, who Im one of, have to take responsibility for creating the political divide. As far back as the 2008 election.

Bill Maher nails it here. Apart from Bush, whos a kunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKIk7b0Owc

Igotadose · 06-01-2026 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123223#Comment_124123223

WTAF are you actually quoting from here?

Not the speech trump gave at the Ellipse that day. Here's the transcript for you:

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

I think you're simply lying. Trump didn't say the stuff you quoted at that speech. From some other speech, maybe, but not what he did to stir up the sheeple he'd imported for the speech - which, unfortunately, he can't be tried over as he had immunity uhuhuh

RoyalCelt · 06-01-2026 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123263#Comment_124123263

This right here is the truth that powerful MSM brainwashed people into thinking otherwise. Just because Trump's a spoofer on most things doesn't mean you (MSM) should go down that path. But we've seen how sneaky the likes of BBC panorama can be. I'd trust them as far as I can throw them.

rogber · 06-01-2026 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124119000#Comment_124119000

People have been saying the same stuff about Trump and mental health and cognitive decline since his first term as president. It's irrelevant, we're stuck with him for another 3 years unless he dies (we can hope)

o1s1n · 06-01-2026 05:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123388#Comment_124123388

The media has two sides too you know. Ever watch the brainwashing that is Fox News? It's not all just 'leftie' propaganda.

Frank Bullitt · 06-01-2026 05:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123380#Comment_124123380

Idiotically claiming the election was stolen isnt inciting a riot.

I don’t think you understand this at all.

They were there, in the first place, because he said the election was stolen. He told them to fight like hell for their country.

You’re belong deliberately ignorant here. Take care.

RoyalCelt · 06-01-2026 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123398#Comment_124123398

I don't sit down and watch full segment's of any American TV. Not good for the mind. You don't need to educate me on two sides. I'm one of the few in here capable of that on American politics and I take massive stick exclusively from the Left/democrat side for it.

If anyone wants to see one of the most absurd Trump clips ever go online and check him mocking Maduro's dancing. Truly bizarre. Just after happening. That's enough internet for today.

The Nal · 06-01-2026 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123382#Comment_124123382

As per your link

I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. … But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order"

is what he tweeted later.

Is there anything in there where he asked them to storm the Capitol building and use violence?

Ozymandius2011 · 06-01-2026 05:50PM

California Republican Representative Doug LaMalfa has died aged 65. Puts further pressure on the GOP majority in the House of Representatives.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republican-rep-doug-lamalfa-died-gop-leaders/story?id=128945837

o1s1n · 06-01-2026 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123413#Comment_124123413

Was that him dancing to YMCA? Couldn't make it up 😂

Tony EH · 06-01-2026 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123399#Comment_124123399

I don't think that poster knows what "incitement" means.

Ozymandius2011 · 06-01-2026 05:58PM

Trump engaged in double speak, publicly calling for it to be peaceful, but also saying "and we fight". We saw the nooses the protesters were carrying. That's an old KKK symbol that was historically used to keep Black people from protesting during segregation. The Oath Keepers and the 3 (Far Right militias).

When Kevin McCarthy asked him to call off the mob, he reportedly said: “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

If this had happened in Ireland theres no doubt that their would have been a prosecution. Like Hitler when he was prosecuted in 1923, Trump successfully presented it as some sort of persecution, and used that for electoral benefit.

Igotadose · 06-01-2026 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123420#Comment_124123420

Fair point, my searching through the speech initially missed that (search probably didn't recognize peacef when I looked for 'peace.')

So, you agree the 2d thing you quoted wasn't in the speech?

As for whether he incited, well, we'll never know because he won't stand trial for that speech. As for whether rehashing his complaints about the stolen election and lying through his teeth about what had happened, after 60 lawsuits and endless news articles about it, to people that had been invited to attend his speech and in many cases brought to DC by Trump's supporters, well, draw your own conclusion.

He asked for a mob to descend on the Capitol. He got it. He hectored them for an hour prior to their march. He also lied about being with them when they marched (as I recall, when he learned he wasn't going to be allowed to go because it was so dangerous, he choked the driver of his limo.)

Manic Moran · 06-01-2026 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124122775#Comment_124122775

Well, yes… You seemed to be going on a non sequitur.

If you want to make a statement, make a statement, but there is no connection between that and the earlier topic.

aloyisious · 06-01-2026 06:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123380#Comment_124123380

I'd have said that telling a crowd of several thousand people, who had gathered to hear you speak, that the election result was a lie would be enough to agitate them beyond the level they were at, given that they were not there to attend his swearing-in but to object to Congress receiving the result of the election formally from Trump's V/P and the result being formally entered into the record there.

I don't want to rehash the argument from 2021 but the fact is that he did succeed in agitating the crowd to the extent that they felt it right and proper to storm the Capitol building to stop the steal he alleged had happened being recorded. What his speech did was to ensure the recording of the true result became another day of infamy for the U.S.

everlast75 · 06-01-2026 06:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123223#Comment_124123223

Others have addressed this.

People begged him to say something to stop the riot. He did nothing.

He wanted the metal detectors to be removed, as "they" weren't there to harm him.

He said that Pence deserved to be the object of violence, when people were calling for Pence to be hung.

He pardoned those that attacked the capitol.

But sure, he didn't intend for there to be violence.

Ozymandius2011 · 06-01-2026 06:10PM

Europe should be prepared to sanction the US if it crosses this Rubicon.

Also consumers should be prepared to boycott the US.

The Nal · 06-01-2026 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123455#Comment_124123455

So, you agree the 2d thing you quoted wasn't in the speech?

Yes. It wasnt in the speech. I didnt mean to say it was.

Just pointing out later that he (again) called for non violence.

At no point did he call for violence. People now claiming he incited a riot are wrong. People have the right to free speech and assembly.

Even if they're idiots supporting a megalomaniac mé féiner with a serious personality disorder.

Igotadose · 06-01-2026 06:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123512#Comment_124123512

I think you can make a case he incited the riot, and in fact he was under indictment for charges related to it. Unfortunately, he was never tried because it was delayed until he was reelected.

He said a lot of stuff in that speech including using the word fight, quite a few times. And it was to a crowd chosen to be anti-government and anti-election-results.

But not incitement or violence. O.K.. Pointless argument to have, should have had it while the trial was going on.

Seth Brundle · 06-01-2026 06:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123512#Comment_124123512

At no point did he call for violence. People now claiming he incited a riot are wrong. People have the right to free speech and assembly.

It is quite possible to incite someone to do something, including becoming violent, without directly asking or telling them to. It is simply a case of manipulating them which is often quite straightforward especially if they already feel aggreived about a matter.

valoren · 06-01-2026 06:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124123223#Comment_124123223

He was inciting people weeks before January 6th by his spreading of conspiracy theories about a stolen election which was time and again completely baseless and false. He, the figurehead of that movement, accepting such nonsensical theories gave credence to peoples anger about an election they felt was stolen for them. It wasn't. He lost and the certification of Bidens win should have passed as the non-event such certification usually is. He knew what he was at and he didn’t use his speech that day did nothing to quell a crowd who were not, as subsequent events showed, there to protest "peacefully". If there was any sanity left in America then January 6th should have seen the death of Trump politically but the fact he was elected in again? Leaves one thinking Americans either have short memories, have had critical thinking suffocated by toxic social medias or else think rioting and deaths at the Capitol because a narcissist can't admit defeat is fine and dandy by them and they want more of the same.

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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