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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    A good question, as i recall him scoffing at a "randomer" thousands of miles away having an opinion he viewed as contrary to that of the locals and those on the ground who may know more than that of the randomer, but of course it's all fine when he does it. Also it's fine for Sean to criticise others for who he alleges they support, while he actually runs cover for a state whose leader is wanted for war crimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Randycove


    they don’t mirror anything. The hunger in Gaza is imposed. The PA hunger strikers are doing it voluntarily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    By going on a hunger strike, the Palestine Action activisits are partly experiencing the conditions of starvation being experienced by Palestinians. Over 100,000 dead Palestinians and probably no one on Boards could name one of the civilians but they may know the names of the remaining Palestine Action activists:

    Heba Muraisi,

    Kamran Ahmed,

    Teuta Hoxha and

    Lewie Chiaramello

    https://jacobin.com/2026/01/uk-palestine-action-hunger-strike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,632 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So its about publicity and getting their names recognised. That'd be about right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    It is NOT about them, it is about Palestine and the ethnic cleansing and the genocide and the West supporting Israel. Greta and the Sumud flotilla tried to explain this to people.

    https://www.viory.video/en/videos/a3445_02092025/it-s-not-about-us-it-s-about-gaza-thunberg-got-star-cunningham-on-board-for-biggest-ever-global-sumud-flotilla-departs-part-1-full-focus-

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Former US military veterans in the state of North Carolina staged a public solidarity action for Palestinians on Saturday, by raising an illuminated “Free Palestine” banner over a major roadway in the city of Asheville.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    @SeanW - are you just putting this down as another one on the "do not respond" list as reality is incompatible with your narrative?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I never claimed to be a "genocide scholar." It just seems like there's stuff going on that's kind of genocidey, for the want of a better word, in Ukraine and China, that should be of far more concern to us in the West.

    For one thing, the Russian genocide of Ukrainians is much closer to home, and China is one of our largest trading partners.

    Yes … nothing says "this is not political" like the involvement of Greta Thunberg …

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Genocide happening anywhere should be a concern. If you are not a genocide scholar then why should any credence be given to your view on the subject when it comes to Israel since you are clearly incapable of being objective, and, as you have indirectly admitted, is rather uninformed as a consequence compared who do know what they are talking about. With this in mind we know if the ICJ rules against Israel you will see it as flawed, again your dissenting opinion might have merit if you were a scholar on the subject but we know it will be purely based on your inability to criticise Israel. I suppose your fall back will be the scholars who have determined Israel has committed genocide are not neutral either:)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Genocide only seems to be a concern to some when they can blame Jews or Israelis. Take for example the contrast between the Russian genocide against Ukraine, which the International Criminal Court asserts:

    International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Russian leaders - Wikipedia

    and tayto_lover's assertion that Russia is absolutely not committing a genocide, not targeting children, not targeting emergency personnel, despite clear evidence they're doing all of that and a lot more.

    It's not in my view a co-incidence that this is broadly in line with Left-wing politics. In South Africa for example, the EFF would most likely agree with tayto_lover's hand-waving away of Russian genocide while simultaneously condemning Israel.

    EFF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_Fighters#Outside_Africa

    I also suspect it is not a co-incidence that so many of you have failed to condemn the above claim by our resident crisp connoisseur.

    So we have to consider the politics with alongside of any claim against Israel, and the fact that leftists and Islamists have been calling for the destruction of Israel for a very long time, or at least innately hostile to it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,679 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Waffle. Israel is the country cited for Genocide and as I previously said if Russia is accused i'll condemn it too. Israel is the country that murdered 23,000 children at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭SeanW


    They are accused - the ICC are clear. You asserted as fact that they were not guilty. Only Israel. Why?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Genocide only seems to be a concern to some when they can blame Jews or Israelis.

    Yet again I have to point out - the only people I see blaming Jews for Israeli conduct in this horrible conflict is you.

    Again I'll ask why you are so comfortable collapsing Jews worldwide into Israeli state crimes, that are very real (no matter how much you try to use Jewish people around the world as a shield)? Above is yet another example of collective blaming.

    Do you not understand Jewish people around the world have no choice in Israeli state policy? You must be aware of it, because I repeat it every time you lump them all in as one hive minded entity.

    Your cynical use of vulnerable communities to shield the Israeli state from accountability is pathetic, dangerous, and of course antisemetic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This should be nothing to do with Israel. International ports need to be built in Palestine that allow international trade and aid assistance with zero input from the ethnic cleansing, genocidal, failed state. Alternatively Palestine should inspect all international trade into Israeli ports and reject anything that could be used for military purposes e.g. ladders and tent poles.

    Israel on Sunday began revoking the operating licenses of 37 international organizations delivering humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, saying they failed to meet requirements under new registration rules, according to the Israeli broadcasting authority KAN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Then how can you so certainly assert that genocide is not happening in Gaza? You have yet to answer that.

    I see genocide only really matters if it’s closer to where you live or how much trade is being done with them?

    That shows 0 empathy to human life and is all about proximity and €.
    That’s not how genocide is defined unfortunately Sean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    @SeanW I made this post last week, in response to your repeated denials of a genocide. Another poster pushed you on your position on land grabbing in the West Bank, and the most you could muster was a shrug and a “I view it negatively.” Do you have any comment beyond that? Any response to the questions in my post above?

    You posted the following today:

    the fact that leftists and Islamists have been calling for the destruction of Israel for a very long time, or at least innately hostile to it

    How do you reconcile that with your near indifference to the very real land grabbing and forced removals in the West Bank? You can’t act shocked at people being angry at Israel while almost ignoring the behavior that provokes that anger. If you were a Palestinian losing your home and seeing your family attacked, would you calmly accept it, or would you feel hostility toward the regime enabling and supporting it?

    This one-sided outrage exposes your complete double standard, and just reaffirms the belief by myself and many others, that you will blindly support and justify anything Israel does, no matter how many hoops if forces you to jump through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,679 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I never said they were not guilty, I said not accused by the ICJ. And they have not. Ukraine made an accusation whicj the ICJ listened to and asked Russia to '' half it's invasion ''. Please stop with the '' look over there '' stuff. Deal with the country that is actually accused, just for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    There’s a massive Israeli ad campaign in North America at the moment, supported by our friends at Google, under the Freedom Not Terror logo. I was disappointed to find out that despite the name they don’t really explain how I can support Palestinian freedom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I hope we can agree that actions are more serious than words? If calling for the destruction of a state is a bad thing, actively preventing a nation from forming its own state or protecting the basic rights of its people is surely far worse?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I don't see you calling out anyone else denying the genocide in Israel. So once again don't ask me to do what you are not prepared to do yourself. Also even if your claim was true( which i dont think it is) how does that excuse Israel exactly. I mean we don't absolve a child of wrongdoing because they also deploy your childish look over their defense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Keir is not bothered by Maduro kidnapping and is not concerned about mistreatment of prisoners. He will be forgotten very quickly and soon.

    Palestine Action activist Teuta Hoxha has paused her hunger strike in the United Kingdom after more than two months without food while demanding immediate bail and the right to a fair trial.

    The group Prisoners For Palestine wrote on Instagram on Monday that Hoxha is in serious condition and needs to be hospitalised. It alleged the 29-year old has been denied proper treatment by prison authorities.

    Hoxha “needs urgent medical care in hospital to prevent refeeding syndrome. The prison is refusing [her] medical treatment, which is required to prevent death in extreme cases of starvation”.

    Refeeding syndrome, a potentially fatal condition, happens when nutrition is restarted in a starving person too quickly. There was no immediate comment from prison or government officials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The Palestinian embassy in London was officially inaugurated on Monday, replacing the former designation “Palestinian Mission to the UK” with “Embassy of the State of Palestine,” reflecting full diplomatic status, Anadolu reports.

    Palestinian Ambassador Husam Zomlot inaugurated the embassy with the unveiling of the official plaque in London.

    The UK formally recognized the state of Palestine in September and a Palestinian flag was raised over the mission in West London.

    Addressing senior UK officials, members of the diplomatic corps, and representatives of the Palestinian community, Zomlot, on behalf of the Palestinian president and the people, thanked the British government and its people, stressing the inauguration is outcome of a century-long struggle.

    “This is a day of hope, a day of steadfastness, and a day that reminds the world that peace is not only possible, it is inevitable, when rooted in justice, dignity, and equality,” Zomlot said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Ethnic cleansing never sleeps, like a cancer it eats away.

    Over the past 24 hours, the Israeli military has expanded the so-called “yellow line” in eastern Gaza, forcing Palestinians into ever smaller clusters of the enclave, Al-Jazeera reported on 5 January.

    Israeli troops are pushing further into the neighborhoods of Tuffah, Shujaiya, and Zeitoun in eastern Gaza City, according to correspondents on the ground.

    The Israeli army is coming closer to Salah al-Din Street, the major road connecting north and south Gaza, forcing displaced families sheltering near the area to flee, the Al-Jazeera correspondents stated.

    Israel directly controls all territory east of the yellow line, which is virtually cleansed of Palestinians. Israeli troops shoot and kill any Palestinians crossing the line from the west, including women and children, who try to return to their homes.

    “The ongoing Israeli attacks on the ground, the expansion of the ‘yellow line’ are meant to eat up more of the territory across the eastern part, really shrinking the total area where people are sheltering,” reported Al-Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud from Gaza City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭SeanW


    It shows that much of the criticism of Israel is based on politics first. Based on this, it's not outside the realm of possibility that many of the critics are starting from a pre-determined end-point, and working an interpretation of the facts back (or simply making them up) to meet a pre-ordained conclusion. That being "Israel bad"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    This is what apologists for Russia say too . With this in mind A few weeks backs I came across an article from a Russian website that you used the same craven playbook as you: the EU was engaged in a witchhunt/ politics against Russia. The irony is you are as hypocritical as Russian apologists. If you are so sure of your position, address the questions put to you by other posters, because otherwise it seems you know you can't counter the questions put to you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Come on. Stop trying to frame everything as an antisemetic attack.

    For example, people are living without adequate shelter in Gaza. Israel is stopping aid agencies from bringing in tents because they say that tent poles are bad.

    If there's an ideology behind criticising Israel for not allowing tents in, that ideology is called simple humanity.

    No-one is starting with israel bad and then looking for ways to criticism them. We're just pointing out all the nasty stuff they're doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Ben Gvir calls for lynchng of Barghouti, the wild Middle-East!

    Israel's National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir publicly called for the execution of imprisoned Palestinian leader Marwan Barghouti during a meeting of his Otzma Yehudit party at the Knesset, Israel’s news agency JNS reported on 5 January.

    Speaking at the meeting, Ben Gvir said Barghouti “should be taken out” and endorsed capital punishment, arguing that Israel should “learn something from the United States,” specifically “the death penalty for terrorists.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Ethnic cleansing uber alles as Israel and US continue to prevent Palestinians returning home after medical treatment trips.

    The Israeli occupation army carried out a series of airstrikes and ground attacks across the Gaza Strip at dawn on Tuesday, demolishing residential buildings in the north amid reports of an Israeli-US agreement to keep the Rafah crossing closed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,679 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Are he and his friends still wearing the Noose broaches ?



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