Venezuela

100%.

Since Venezuela effectively kicked all US oil producers out 10 years ago because of the shite deal they were receiving they’ve been under constant threat. The US doesn’t give a **** for international law.

Sure if Russia and US are doing it, we'll join in https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m7l8keyexo , so your turn now China

Convenient that after mostly ignoring the iranian uprising for a over week, it can now be blamed on the US when it looks like it isnt going away this time and might actually be sucessful.

Again, like Venezuela, the people in Iran want rid of this regime. Oh no, won't someone think of the despotic literal dictators 🙄 evil America etc etc.

People need to cop on to themselves and think about what they are endorsing just because they automatically have to take the opposite position the Trump/"the right wing"/ the US. There's a reason why Venezuelans are happy about this, maybe you should listen to them? Just a thought

People protesting this have never lived under an autocratic dictatorship. There is no way to legally remove or replace an autocratic regime because they are the ones writing the laws. The fall of communist regimes in Eastern Europe was largely through illegal means, both domestic and foreign.

You are just upset that it was Trump who did it. Venezuelan people, at least the diaspora, seems quite happy with this.

The world is a better place with one more tyrant removed.

All the evidence points to America talking lots, Greenland isn’t Venezuela either, and even Greenlanders themselves have let their voice known relating to it.

They will say it’s next, but they won’t do a thing.

That’s still not the same as invading a NATO ally.

I can see the tensions and skepticism here relating to Greenland, I just see it as a bridge too far for Trump and his goons.

Sure thing.

It's all transactional. Has anything really changed in Venezuela? All that happened is that the apparatus that grew under Chavez simply sold his replacement to Trump. That's why Trump has ruled out changing the status quo. His constant use of the drugs pretext which doesn't appear on the charge sheet means he'll use any pretext for more distractions from Epstein.

"he wouldn't that" has been a constant refrain, yet here we are.

Gadaffi being publicly violently raped and murdered by a mob of rebels with NATO air cover was much more sleazy, treacherous and horrible. He had given up his nuclear weapons program and was cooperating with Western leaders.

Lula, Putin and various South American countries etc. weren't happy with that, didn't accept NATO deniability (because they aren't stupid) and presumably they haven't forgotten about it since.

For many Westerners orchestrating Gaddaffi's end was purer because it was done for "democracy" rather than oil. But even if you believe that, it's akin to a theological distinction.

All of the Arab Spring chaos, the intervention in the Balkans (such as the bombing of Serbia), the removal of Ferdinand Sr. in the Philippines, the various "colour revolutions" (some of which seems to have been intelligence-directed coups), and various other episodes down through the years would stick in the mind of non-Western leaders.

You could also take less recent examples like Bay of Pigs etc.

Machado can at least be a fall-back option for them if they are stuck?

I view Maduro as loathsome. But the US throwing the rules out the window could have long term negative consequences in global politics. Basically Russia and China seem likely to have their own spheres where they can invade nations. Now the US can act as a justification for it. And once again, you guys weren't half as vocal when Trump bullied Ukraine and licked Putin's ass for the last 12 months...

Also, we've had posters that have supported Trump for years that he doesn't support wars and is a peacemaker, now we have Trump open to putting troops on the ground. Who's to rule out this being the only intervention... And to state the obvious, the way he's approaching it in terms of literally stealing some oil, this doesn't feel like he'll be viewed positively in Venezuela for the long term. I'm pretty sure he won't give a **** if the next leadership acts as tyrants provided he gets oil...

Again, apples to oranges. Removing Maduro (the main reason being oil) can be masked as “he deals drugs etc. they’ve no reason to go to Greenland without causing larger issues.

It’s why most countries are not too upset with this. It would be drastically different with Greenland. I’ve no doubts they want to, that’s a different story.

Spot on Mr C…. But of course you have the armchair generals waving their arms and roaring about “international rules” and stuff like that ……putting forward all kinds of scenarios and ‘theories’ .

They are at it on RTE1 radio already.

The US could probably come up with some nonsense such as, "Russia is building up forces in the Arctic, we got to go into Greenland to preserve their safety" blah, blah.