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FáilteDAB: Coverage, Tests and Services

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    There was a bit of push back online #saveRTÉgold a few years back when they first hinted the idea in Stretgy 2024, this had followed #saveRTÉlyric.

    I am sure they could move RTÉ Gold staff to late night pre-records on RTÉ Radio 1.

    I agree its about RTÉ brand and they didn't want the back lash, if any.

    I doubt that RTÉ GOLD is the biggest, hard to find figures be interesting if all these stations and GOLD are added to the JNLRs.

    Will RTÉ Radio ever be on Failte DAB?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    The DAB feed of Christmas FM is gone, reverted back to Rewind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    Brilliant, much better!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The RTE doesn't really seem to have a DAB+ strategy. Too much complaining, too much "hen and egg syndrome" whilst the FM audience gets older and older.

    One RTE station I would certainly like on DAB+ would be RTE Gold. It's a good station, probably the most popularity of all of them which are not on FM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    RTÉ wouldn't even be on FM if they got away with it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Onic Movies has been dropped, but a new station, Onic 90s is now live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    Onic Movies didn't make much sense really. If it had been soundtracks and themes etc, it might have stood out, but just playing random songs that had been featured in films wasn't particularly attractive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    If you know their way of thinking than yes, agreed.

    Regarding the RTE I am often in fear they want to force some kind of universal household license fee for anybody regardless of having a TV or not, but never offering anything more modern like DAB+. It doesn't have to come to that, but the fear is there and it's there for a reason.

    Who wants to be "force fed" a fee and then pay for an old FM technology? It'll be different ( at least to me ) if it's there to implement the new DAB+ technology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Yes, RTE doesn't have the interest in maintaining FM, when I tune into Morning Ireland at 7am, the presenter says "You're listening to morning ireland on Radio1, the RTE News channel and on the App" FM is now never mentioned, but I'm afraid they are stuck with it, LW gone, MW gone and DAB gone.

    It is hoped by RTE to go fully online at some stage in the future. 4 of their Digital radio stations are gone from midnight tonight, so it will end up being a small tidy operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Just looked at RTE Wikipedia and see that RTE Lyric fm is available on DAB+:6c Digi B, in Malta above all places. I wonder what's the connection there? and its just Lyric.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    It sure is -
    https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=6C&cpid=2487156735&live=623&sec=0&lang=en



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The connection is that it's just for tourists. I think there are a couple of British stations there as well on DAB+.

    The RTE would save an awful lot of money to roll out DAB+ in the whole country and eventually switch FM off. Even if they give two DAB+ radios for free to every Irish household it'll still be a financially better choice all the way.

    On the other hand, BBC doesn't mention DAB much at all as well.

    Fully online, smartphone and app only is probably a mistake. It'll always be good to have some kind of linear radio as an alternative. Even Switzerland wouldn't turn of conventional radio and they went largely fully DAB+ for their national broadcaster, - same as Norwary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    @tinytobe not a chance - it won't happen period.
    There is NO NEED for DAB if they do not have the services to put on it. FM works perfectly for the amount of stations which RTE have. PLUS the distances between the main RTE sites and the fact that they are all on very high hilltops does not lend well to an SFN Network on 12C.

    Even during their 15 year trial they had problems with destructive interference in South Meath and North Kildare.

    I am a huge supporter of DAB but not to duplicate what we already have and lets be clear, we are nowhere near an FM switch off in this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    the sale of DAB (+) radios should be banned in Ireland then, if you’re right. I had a DAB radio, got two years out of it then the channels went! Still works for FM, but default switch on which you cannot change , is to DAB! Then you change to FM with remote! Great crack that is . Authorities should instruct the industry to ban sale of them here if there is no official service available , which seems to be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Why would you ban the sale of them? - Where I live I can pick up 157 stations on a portable DAB radio.

    My point is that RTE/2RN should be let nowhere near it in future - they had their chance and they blew it. - spectacularly.

    We will have FM for a long time - duplication will do nothing to promote the platform. DAB is great for providing extra services, and the current trial operator is making a good stab at this. The only fault from my perspective is that the trial does not cover more population centres. For this to succeed in Ireland, it also needs to be also on air in Galway, Waterford, Limerick, Cork Donegal etc.

    Maybe slightly different multiplex content from Bauer and Onic to reflect the regional differences in these areas which would not be an issue as these multiplex trials are being operated on the regionally allocated blocks.

    What would be my new year wish? - 4 or 5 new strategic sites to give Newstalk type coverage nationally. The current trial seems to have all CU space used up with a station running at the "no no" protection level 4 so as to make more capacity, so there clearly is the demand.

    No need for Today FM to be on there at 48kb - its perfectly fine on FM. Q102 and Spin could also be substituted for regional group stations on multiplexes in other parts of the country. Newstalk is a funny one as the DAB feed is better than FM (and in stereo).

    Whatever happens - 2026 looks exciting, lets hope it will be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    I am a plan of Dab+ ,but there are some realities that need to be faced:

    1. Lazer Hits was relatively unknown until its launch on FM this week, FM is still the only game in town, is the lack of promotion of DAB by the provider / stations / regulator to blame or are we already at the next step ie streaming
    2. There is no DAB strategy , not even short term, FailteDAB goes off air in 3 months
    3. If a strategy is developed it will take years before it is implemented and contracts are entered into
    4. The main players will want duel carriage on FM and DAB (and will get duel carriage)
    5. If DAB is ever launched ,the carriage fees will make it very financially difficult for the niche stations like Lazer/8 Radio etc

    2026 could be exciting or the end of the great radio experiment…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭david23


    It isn't possible for Ireland to ban the sale of DAB+ radios. The EU Electronic Communications Code directive (2018/1972) requires all new cars to include DAB+ if they have FM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    There is no point in banning DAB+ in Ireland. The mere thought sounds more like a communist and backwards oriented country going back to the times when the catholic church controlled much or nearly everything. Somebody is having success and those who have envy want to ban it as it infringes on the status quo.

    I suppose the UK would be switching FM off at some point in the late 2030ies and France and the Benelux will most likely follow suit. So if you're driving to the UK in your car, you won't receive much.

    Also there are loads of places in Dublin where FM reception in cars even for the RTE isn't too great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭Antenna


    Widescreen, what manufacturer radio is that??.

    A really bad design to behave that way (doesn't stay in previous radio mode on switch-on). In the majority of countries, FM is still more important than DAB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    I am just playing devils advocate there really. I would really like DAB and have a DAB plus in car which is redundant due to my location. My frustrations come from previous experiences with DAB , ( I have two useless DAB systems!) RTÉ main broadcaster has no interest either, they are celebrating 100 yrs of radio this year, what did they do to mark start of the year? Put 4 or 5 channels off air. I think only way DAB works is to get National broadcaster onside OR get every commercial station on DAB as well and start phasing out FM. Let’s face it, it’s far easier to tune DAB radio than FM! Not gonna hold my breath though. We like dated technology here unfortunately



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Does FailteDAB really go off air in 3 months? I thought that the plan was to launch countrywide if the trial in The Pale is successful...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    Given that we have no idea how successful or not it has been I wouldn't be telling anybody for the next few months to buy a DAB+ radio to listen to the new stations given that they could just go off-air



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It would seem FailteDAB would really go off air in 3 months. I haven't seen any kind of marketing campaign from them to launch countrywide thus I think that what's going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Cmx95


    The service is full so demand there it's just there doesn't seem be much advertising on stations so that's not a good sign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    Not much news on a country wide coverage either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    In my opinion, it’s highly unlikely to go off air in 3 months. This has been established at significant effort and expense.

    I expect there will be an extension issued to allow it to continue for now (maybe another year?) or until the go forward solution is determined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Widescreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Lord Nelson


    Given that it's a trial service with no guarentee of being extended, I can't imagine any station or group is going to fund an expensive marketing campaign? Equally, ad agencies and businesses will be reluctant to spend their budget on something with no track record and dependent on the population who actually have DAB+ receivers, assuming people are even aware of it's existance. I would imagine that the stations involved are playing to the gallery here with the intention of convincing CNaM that there is sufficient support in the industry to roll out permanent, national DAB. The fact that the mux is full with mainly new services is a positive sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    Well if they go down that route I would tell people to forget about it .

    What's the difference if it goes off in 3 months or 2 years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    One interesting fact is the 20kW transmitter from Three Rock. The power used is unusually high for Europe, possibly indicating it's more than just a test of one year?



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