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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    As said, this might not be most elegant way, other options might be available.
    And i not advertising stylus or benefit of its use, other than i am using it and i have boards presented to me the way i like/prefer to see it.
    As displayed below: colors, effects, formatting so on
    All done in stylus

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    On either device browser, search for Stylus extension. Me on FF, I assume you on chrome, but its the same/similar
    Add/install Stylus (review T&C's etc, this is third party tool so be aware of permissions you grant to this tool :D)

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    From browser settings, go to extensions and launch stylus - it will open its own management page/tab
    Here you click on " + " symbol or "write new style" - this will open code panel/window
    1. - name your style. "Block consent" or whatever
    2. - this indicate where the style will apply ("Everything" means to ALL sites. same consent provider could be used by several websites and it will have effect there(see sample below). If you opt "URL" or "URL starting with" and point to https://www.boards.ie it will only apply to boards. you get the idea, right.
    3. - write the code (the one in the other thread or this screenshot is valid for boards, might be valid for other websites)
    4. - save the style. "Enable" box under name turn it ON, "Live preview" indicate that code will apply as you type it.
    Any errors in the code will be highlighted with explanation.

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    Now go to you browser settings and clear cache/cookies
    reload boards - no more consent prompt shown, don't have to interact in any way, go browsing boards

    At any time you can disable/enable/modify style, apply/add to different URL's, add/edit code etc , for troubleshooting or other reasons (as boards changed provider lately, this "broke" previous code i had )
    As sample, you could add code below, to block consent for adverts.ie and donedeal.ie
    on new line on same style, type

    div#didomi-popup {
    display: none !important;
    }

    add URL's to apply to those websites, save

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    search for demo videos how to work with stylus, something like this
    https://youtu.be/GNAptZnPAmg



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Guessing this must be very different on different platforms so. I tried this morning on both my devices, Android phone and Chrome on Windows 11, by firing up an incognito window to force a login sequence. To avoid 3rd party cookies I pressed managed options

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    turned off the legitimate interest boxes (6 in total) and hit confirm choices

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    FWIW, I timed it as 32 seconds on my phone.

    Reading previous posts here, it seems like boards is a bit of a nightmare on Apple by comparison. Legally for the EU, there should be a Reject All or Accept only essential cookies on the first dialog but apparently compliance rates with this legislation are very low (15%-20%).

    If you are using Chrome and have an issue with 3rd party cookies, you can block them entirely, though this can mess with some sites.

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    If privacy is an issue, well worth taking time to understand all the settings in detail. For example, Google AI based protection means details of all sites you visit are being shared with Google for training purposes.

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    Simplest approach, which is the one I take, is assume that you don't really have any privacy on the web and act accordingly. A bit grim, but that's where we're at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭gipi


    @smacl, What about the page on Vendor preferences, which has many more "legitimate interests" buttons to toggle off?

    Doing both pages takes longer than 30 seconds, in my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I'm sorry this is incorrect and misleading…Mostly by boards.ie (Or lets blame there advertisement company), not by you smacl, as ill explain below..

    (I was preparing my psy as @gipi replied with the same point)

    Your post actually highlights how sneaky this is from them both, and what you can easily miss!!

    And how it probable exactly why it is against EU Law. (Your compliance rates are interest however)

    I done exactly the same as you…

    After clicking the first 6 toggles off, you think your done - Great or not so Great actually

    But you're not done at all I'm afraid, they have a further Hidden (hard to see/notice) option, it is a link at the very bottom called

    "Vendor Preferences"

    When you click on this there are a further 60 Tracking Toggles that need to be unclicked individually

    And these are amongst about 300 or more toggles in total in a section that scrolls forever (Almost), and I'm still not sure if I missed any other links, amongst it all!!

    I'm waiting for someone to tell me how this complies with EU Law, that I summarised from Gemini above, when they get back from holidays of course…

    Here is one of the 60 Legitimate interest toggles, that you and many others probably missed.

    "

    Adventure Media SARL requests the following:

    Consent:

    • Store and/or access information on a device (retention: 365 days)
    • Create profiles for personalised advertising (retention: 365 days)
    • Use profiles to select personalised advertising (retention: 365 days)
    • Measure advertising performance (retention: 365 days)

    Legitimate interest:

    • Use limited data to select advertising (retention: 365 days)
    • Develop and improve services (retention: 365 days)
    • Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors (retention: 365 days)
    • Deliver and present advertising and content (retention: 365 days)

    Legitimate interest claim

    Data collection methods:

    • Match and combine data from other data sources
    • Link different devices
    • Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically
    • Use precise geolocation data

    "

    At the moment as you said it a cat and mouse game, and its true to assume on the internet you are being tracked, but that does not mean we should always accept it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Most sites collect data like this don't they? And have done for years.

    Not saying it's right or anything but this isn't anything new.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes. That is the page I was talking about ..5mins at least scrolling down and unchecking those .

    I will try @smuggler.ie 's stylus extension to see if it works Chrome on Android ,tablet and Google phone .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes . By law you are entitled to refuse consent which some of us do and some don't .

    You don't have to accept that you know ?

    And no offense, but if you read back you will see that the issue is not that they are looking for consent per se , it's the change to a form that does not make it easy to complete if refusing consent , unlike the much shorter one in operation before now .

    That's the issue.

    Also the consent button at the bottom does not bring you to anything just useless button.

    This is something that has happened with the latest vanilla update and I think it's disingenuous that this was done before Christmas when everybody here is not paying attention and nobody around to fix it .

    We will all be signed up to these sites collecting and retaining our data for 365 days before anyone realizes it !

    Was this a mistake or is this a conscious choice by someone ?

    We were promised that our data would not be sold on without our permission by @Boards.ie: Odhran .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    And it gets better more you look into it

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thank you for taking the trouble to reply but I have to disagree with you .

    Fair enough no matter what system we use some data is being collected .

    I know that being online carries certain risks . That is why I choose not to consent and go through the trouble of checking and unchecking all preferences on sites I use ,mostly just accepting essential cookies . If you don't mind random advertising companies sharing your data that is entirely up to you .

    I pay my subscription here to go adfree . I think we have been sold a pup by the use of a consent form that is effectively harvesting our data until it can be "sorted sometime in January " .

    It is no good to me and others being told that it will be fixed when our data is already been and gone .

    Not to mention that it is apparently against EU legislation to have such convoluted consent forms but I see your post says this .

    Fact is this site was compliant until a few days before Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    No offence taken. I've always managed my cookies on this site to avoid **** ads anyway. Same on most sites. I was surprised some people seem new to the idea.

    If it's harder to get out of it it's a pain alright, but there's always a work around with a bit of code.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭savemejebus


    If it's harder to get out of it it's a pain alright, but there's always a work around with a bit of code.

    It's bad form that subscribers should even have to consider using "a bit of code", they're essentially already paying to go ad-free while creating the very content that allows the site to sell advertising. I'd be píssed to say the least if i'd subscribed and then had to deal with this crap and zero support over the christmas period where I had downtime and would want to be using the site.

    The first rule of the Dunning–Kruger club is you don't know you're a member of the Dunning–Kruger club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    I do not know if you who pay do have or dont have ads - i don't (never had) despite not paying. But it comes at the cost of "the code" .
    However, ads or no ads, consent is different issue here and new-one is really annoying for most of you who dont do "the code" workaround, whatever it would be.

    Its several years now that i realize boards was "sold a pup" with vanilla and our data(whatever it would be) was long sold , on a day one once data transferred from EU continent to US/Canada , i dont buy vanilla compliance to EU regulations.

    Regardless, this ship has sailed. What will we do now?

    report boards to local/EU authorities? fine will be paid from subscribers funds, providing enough, site deep in financial downfall (whats new)
    boycott the site until resolved? Fall of user activity reflect on ad driven funding - financial downfall (whats new)
    Suck-it-up (whats new)


    catch22 ?

    Post edited by smuggler.ie on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    We could all request our data be deleted after Christmas , and rejoin when this sxxx is sorted ?? 😁

    But we would miss it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    A Reject All button is all that is needed.

    It cannot be that hard to add this option, that switches ALL toggles in every menu and sub menus to off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    :)
    emmm
    for boards it might be harder and longer, than for me(you, anyone) to do what is described in #1143 (or alternative means)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    really?!
    10 + year old cookies
    not all computers last that long
    some people might not live that long either

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Something I asked before, but if you're not getting any 3rd party ads as a paid member, do you actually get any 3rd party cookies that would be associated with those ads? If not, what difference does selecting the option to accept cookies actually make for a paid member when logging on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    Cookies first, isn't it.
    You not get them from ads, you get them as soon you consent. And this where some users, including paid, are concerned/disagree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Why would one want to pay for a forum when you are likely to get warnings or bans ? Do paid members get more preferential treatment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    Don't think subscription was introduced as "get out of jail" token. It had different purpose



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Not sure, which is why I asked. I'll spin up a virtual machine and try it out when I get a chance. Reading Cory Doctorow's Enshittification currently, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. A quick search suggests we only have about 15% - 20% compliance with cookie legislation (including prominent reject buttons), which to me says that the number of privacy breaches you don't know about greatly exceed the number you do. This tends to be backed up by the fines awarded against Google, Microsoft, Meta, Tiktok etc.. for major GDPR breaches.

    A bit grim, but if you use any ostensibly free service on the internet provided by a commercial entity, you and your privacy are the product in the commercial transaction. The value is realised by targeted ads and, more worryingly, other behavioural influence. On boards with a paid subscription, neither of these really happen as you don't get ads and everyone gets served the same content, so I struggle to see the issue. The real problems arise when you use any site that depends on the 3rd party content you see as its main source of revenue.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Don't think so, sub is to pay for the running of the site. That said, if it could also cut down on re-regs of banned users which is no bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,698 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    some are starting to use it as leverage though, there's a thread about Russian shills or whatever, where the OP & several other subscribers are stating they won't renew if it's not dealt with.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    You might be better off blocking 3rd party cookies altogether based on your concerns, VPN does no harm either in terms of IP and location masking. Not an issue for me with this site as I'm not regularly logging on and off boards, don't see any ads and don't have anything on my profile that isn't already public. In terms of my publicly visible online profile, I'd be far more concerned about posting on mainstream social media and larger sites or even liking content on those platforms. So much rage-bait out there desperately trying to eke out the last few ad-clicks for failing platforms for increasingly jaded users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie



    I might be wrong , but this is my uneducated understanding of this matter
    user profiling is taking place and its not only boards involved. You will come across in consent statement(s) about "partners" - information shared. And partners do have their own "partners" - its chain reaction
    "they" have your IP, location, device ID and your browsing habits to mention few. As we discovered above, this info might be stored up to 10 years. Not certain what it means "uses other forms of storage" - data stored on server side? This could mean you no longer in control of deleting data(clearing cookies)
    Now, with this info from several websites but same metrics(IP,ID,location, etc) its not difficult to derive your life style and interests - was it you who consented to those 60 odd hidden "legitimate" interest claimers :(. You not alone, dont get upset to much :)

    I guess "they" can "rightfully" claim that they dont collect "personal" data(but they might have) - this is because they dont treat you as a person, you (me, anyone) are a unit, number, node.
    You have family(group of people that are related and share same interest)? - IP,ID,location set upgraded to lets call it "cell" , because cell members might share common interests.
    All they care is to know your interests/lifestyle so they can serve you with targeted ads because it increase chance you might get convinced look-up or even to buy.
    And if you click, even by mistake - €€€.
    I even suspect someone is getting paid just because "node" spend more than x amount of time on the same page where the ad is displayed.

    I am getting headache of my own paranoia :) , so yes, as many less concerned might say - the less i know the better i sleep.

    However, in my own personal right, i dont want this to be happening behind my knowledge/awareness.
    I would prefer and expect that boards, only as a sample, with all good and honest intentions to value my privacy, would oversee this and ensure that there is, as per GDPR regs, ONE and CLEARLY displayed button to decline ALL , no faffing. But there isn't, perhaps because this is the plan/financial interest(?) or boards just don't care(?).
    Worse , when official institutions act the same way - gov, bank, etc - you might not have option NOT to visit site , because its requirement for one to be registered in this system to get your wages paid, you social entitlements/benefits , so on…

    Hence i take certain steps to reduce my exposure to this sort of crap on my own, where possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    It's good practice to clear all cookies (from all sites) from your browser every so often,imo.

    Most people are fairly clueless though and probably don't even know what a cookie is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭smuggler.ie


    I didn't checked, but would like to believe there were T&C's defining subscription entitlements (who read small print :))
    And as far i remember it is volunteer based, so yeah anyone free to opt-in or -out.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Paranoia is very healthy around the internet in my opinion. Putting my own tinfoil hat on, I wouldn't be suprised if the longer login form for boards is due to increasing minimal GDPR compliance and that the cookies people are worried about were likely stored prior to this without their consent or knowledge. This seems likely to be the case if you accept that GDPR compliance is coming from a very low base, particularly in the private sector outside of the EU. VPN is decent for spoofing IP address, location and search history, but you're still exposed in terms of login IDs. I'd suspect the larger players are taking this information server side pretty quickly so clearing caches and cookies doesn't offer a huge amount of extra protection.

    I know for example that LinkedIn is leaky as a sieve as I've started seeing a lot of friend suggestions on other sites, regardless of tight privacy settings in my profile and VPN usage. Also backed up by the DPC fining LinkedIn €310 million for GDPR breaches recently. No doubt boards.ie are exposed to a much tinier extent in this regard, pushing up their insurance costs which of course ultimately get passed on to the paying users.

    Makes sense to limit your exposure but also to assume there's a high liklihood that any measures you take are being circumvented.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    As someone once put it, it's easier to apologise than to ask permission. It's grim.



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