Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

I think its naive not to regard welfare as a pull factor, especially when its at levels of upper-middle class salaries in the Global South. I dont know much about the US welfare system. I know its less generous than in Europe. In Ireland, our welfare rates are at levels of middle class salaries in parts of Eastern Europe. Now - I accept as they are EU states we have to abide by our obligations on that, and I quite like Eastern Europe and their economies are likely to eventually catch up with some western countries possible in our lifetimes. There is no conceivable way Somalia will.

It is wrong though to single out one nationality as Trump is doing.

Ah as horrible as it is, you are better off to have him. Better to be a target than God forbid, irrelevant. You take some flack, you slide his member in your mouth , gurgle, smile and you tell the media how delighted you are to have the opportunity. This is what they are paid to do, politics is a **** game. The news cycle will move on from whatever scandal the **** a cyclone that is the trump admin drums up within a couple of days anyway.

The worst part of this is that it's been so normalised that this would barely make a headline. A former top government official using language straight out of a KKK rally.

Tangentially, it's interesting to watch how this language filters through the American right wing. It spreads from the pundits on the periphery, percolating inward, testing the waters, and seeing if it meets too strong a pushback. Never mind 10 years ago, if you even contrast what's being said by the current Trump admin vs the previous one, it's utterly unbelievable. How long before the current rhetoric of Nick Fuentes becomes the script for Trump's press secretary? She's not quite at the 'Hitler was cool' point yet, but it can only be a matter of time based on the current trajectory.

Incidentally, the twitter poster who Flynn quotes is Katie Miller...

"Miller served as a deputy press secretary under U.S. President Donald Trump at the United States Department of Homeland Security from 2017 to 2019. She was the communications director for Vice President Mike Pence from 2020 to 2021 and acted as his press secretary from 2019 to 2020.

Miller was an advisor and spokesperson for the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) from January to May 2025, when she departed DOGE to work for Elon Musk in the private sector. She is married to presidential advisor Stephen Miller."

In other words, she is an amoral political hack who is prepared to work for a fascist and f**k a Nazi just to further her career.

Trump is a debased and immoral animal.

There was a time when America saw death in defence of democracy as a sacrifice. As a necessary and high price paid to oppose tyranny

Indeed as FDR said whilst USA was still neutral in WW2

"This nation will remain a neutral nation, but I cannot ask that every American remain neutral in thought as well"

Leaders in America have long recognised that their citizens would stand against oppression almost by default. Yet now? Not only do American leaders not see that necessity? Nor do many of their citizens.

To demean the loss of brave & principled Americans, killed by Russia in a war of aggression in a manner such as he has?

Demeans the office, the country and indeed the very idea of what "America" means.

That shining city on the hill?

Has become a sewer, led by rats!

Lets hope not.

Russia wants Ukraine to succeed….

A swamp has taken over the swamp, america has lost way so fast in 3 years the outrageous is going to be normal.

Zelenskyy is buying time "russia wants peace" putin is running American forign policy obviously no condemnation of outrageous bombing civilians in Kyiv.

Two things seemed to pop up at the media briefing post the Zelenskyy and Trump meeting. 1: Trump was in a pessimistic mood, no rubbish rhetoric…. 2: Zelenskyy spent a deal of time, when Trump was speaking, to looking down at his rostrum stand as if he was looking at a live feed on a screen there [maybe with interpretation of one sort or another] or a prepared script of Trump's expected speech. It seemed that either Trump is more downbeat and realistic on what advances might be made there or he is keeping his attention more on his meeting with Netanyahu today as more important to/for him politically.

I didn't see the press conference. Zelensky sounds upbeat about it. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it(an actual cease fire I mean).

Ye hopefully not to both of them visits.

ah now...

Surely we'd follow Don's precedent and double barrel the name the name to Obama - Trump plaza as long as we make sure he knows we put the bigger man 1st 😉