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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Interesting - will a military court trump the Israeli AG? If it does, the notion of an independent judiciary vaporises.

    Haaretz:

    • A military court said Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara had three days to respond to a request to drop the charges against soldiers accused of abusing a Palestinian detainee at the Sde Teiman detention facility. Last month, the five soldiers' lawyers requested to dismiss the indictment against them, citing the leaked footage of the alleged abuse and the alleged involvement in the leak of the former IDF's top lawyer Yifat Tomer-Yerushalmi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    What will it take for the Israelis to cease persecuting Palestinians?

    I can't see how uprooting olive trees serves any security purpose at all. Clearly, it is just persecution and ensuring Palestinians cannot lead any kind of normal life.


    "Denying the Palestinian Nakba is denying not only the past, but also the present.

    The denial is not due to a dispute over narrative: Israelis deny the Nakba not because it did or did not happen, but because it is still happening.

    When the Israeli military uproots hundreds of olive trees in the West Bank 'for security reasons,' it is a nakba, a catastrophe, not as a metaphor or as a historical memory"

    Hanin Majadli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Yet more evidence for the ICJ.

    Haaretz:
    Israel will allow Jewish settlers to live in northern Gaza at some point in the future,
    Defense Minister Israel Katz said, a claim he previously made and then retracted on Tuesday.

    Speaking at a conference hosted by the religious Zionist newspaper Makor Rishon, Katz vowed that Israeli forces would never fully retreat from all of Gaza, and rejected that he had backtracked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Powerful piece from Khoury - Annexation of the West Bank is already underway.


    "What is brewing in the West Bank these days is not just another 'spat of clashes,' nor some seasonal event having to do with the autumn olive harvest season, nor some local outburst of violence that can be contained or framed as a local problem.

    This is a different, much more dangerous reality: one that derives from policy.

    This policy is clear and ongoing.

    It is intended to change facts on the ground, so that West Bank annexation does not remain some political statement about the future, but becomes daily action grounded in the present"

    Jack Khoury



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Stop spouting rubbish. Not a word from you about Israeli murders like the wedding in Gaza recently yet you're all over every thread where an Israel or Jew is killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The deflection and whataboutery to attempt to justify what Israel is doing is astonishing.

    More remarkable is the complete silence on the US attacks in Venezuela - home to Syrian Druze for centuries.

    Seems to me the outrage on civilian deaths on behalf of Israel supporters is completely one-sided. They seem to be completely incapable of condemning all atrocities regardless of the ethnicity or religious affiliation of those who suffer.

    Why is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    There's no genocide of Druze in Syria because Israel prevented it. Had they not had a presence in Syria, we would likely be having another conversation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    You do realise that the aim of your boys in Tel Aviv is to play one side off the other?

    The Druze suit their purpose. The same way that useful idiots who defend the practices of Israel serve their purpose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So why on earth did you post this?

    Considering that you deny the Russian genocide in Ukraine, I assume you would be fine with genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Druze in Syria?

    You may as well have posted "you would be fine with genocide and ethnic cleansing of <insert random ethic group here>"

    Shame Israel isn't preventing Genocide in Gaza - per multiple directives from the ICJ and UN resolutions. But your posts have clearly shown you're totally ok with the extermination of Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I was responding to a poster who called for Israel to be removed from Syria. Which would very likely lead to future attempts at ethnic cleansing of the Druze being successful - among a lot of other bad things.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, your logic is that Israel has the right to invade any other sovereign territory just in case that State does something Israel doesn't like?

    If that's the logic, presumably you'd have no problem with Israel being invaded in order to prevent the Genocide of Gaza? Which is real - not fantasy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Israel will be attacked whether either of us like it or not. That's why they occupy territories outside their de-jure 1967 borders as pre-positioning.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Israel is doing a significant amount to destabilise the current government in Syria which is one of the parties also trying to re-attain control and stop the violence in the Druze areas which is predominantly not coming from govt forces. It is nowhere near as black and white as you making out. There has been absolutely no rhyme or reason to significant portions of their activity in southern Syria beyond a land grab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israel is not happy that Turkey has been setting up Radar Stations in Syria. It would harm their efforts to attack targets in the region including Iran.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251226-anger-in-israel-as-turkey-deploys-radar-systems-in-syria/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Do you believe it is wrong for nations to defend themselves or is it just Israel that should have that right ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    So if Turkey occupies land in Syria that's fine, doubly so if that protects the terrorist regime in Tehran?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    JOINT DECLARATION BY 14 UN MEMBER STATES CONDEMN ISRAELI SECURITY CABINET’S APPROVAL OF 19 NEW SETTLEMENTS IN OCCUPIED WEST BANK

    12 EUROPEAN STATES, AS WELL AS CANADA AND JAPAN, HAVE REAFFIRMED THAT THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO  A NEGOTIATED TWO STATE SOLUTION...

    “IN ACCORDANCE WITH RELEVANT UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS WHERE TWO DEMOCRATIC STATES  ISRAEL AND PALESTINE, LIVE SIDE-BY-SIDE IN PEACE AND SECURITY WITHIN SECURE AND RECOGNISED BORDERS”

    ‘Joint Declaration – Approval of the creation of 19 new settlements in the occupied West Bank (24, December 2025)’

    https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/israel-palestine/news/2025/article/joint-declaration-approval-of-the-creation-of-19-new-settlements-in-the

    “We, States of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Iceland, Ireland, Japan, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain and the United Kingdom condemn the approval by the Israeli security cabinet of 19 new settlements in the occupied West Bank.

    “We recall that such unilateral actions, as part of a wider intensification of the settlement policies in the West Bank, not only violate international law but also risk fueling instability. They risk undermining the implementation of the Comprehensive Plan for Gaza amid efforts to progress to phase 2 and harming prospects for long term peace and security across the region.

    STARRY:   The Joint Declaration 14 UN member state signatories should TRADE EMBARGO Israel

    ALL UN MEMBER STATES, WHO SUPPORT A TWO-STATE SOLUTION, INCLUDING AMERICA, SHOULD TRADE EMBARGO ISRAEL

    Illegal means against the law ***full stop***    Not against humanitarian law subject to ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So let me ask you a third time - how many Israelis in Israel have been killed by another state/country in the 5 years?

    Israel will be attacked

    This is the justification Israel has been asking the world to swallow for decades so that it can go out and destroy anything and everyone it doesn't like. But the facts do not support this justification at all. Israel is disliked pretty much by everyone because of its belligerence, aggression, war mongering and now, Genocide.

    Absolutely no-one has any issue with Israel defending itself.

    But everyone has come to realise that Israel's actions are nothing to do with defence. It's pure landgrabbing. And don't take my word for it, read anything recently stated by Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, Katz and Saar. It's not about defence at all.

    And as you approve of that, you cannot have any arguments about Russia annexing Crimea and attempting to take more of Ukraine without being called out as a hypocrite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'm afraid Sean that Israel's actions are seen by many as aggressive and like Israel many regard Iran's as self-defence. Which country in the region has Iran invaded and occupied since the Iraq war? Of course they have tried to influence what happens in other countries just like Israel has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    One year on, western media don't even recognise the name they are so irrelevant to the concept of accountability. All Israel knows is hatred in its lust to erase all traces of Palestinians and their culture from Palestine. Villages removed from maps and then from the Earth, olive trees destroyed, land polluted with settler excrement.

    Dr Hussam Abu Safia, 52, remains in an Israeli prison a year after Israel detained him without charges or trial.

    His family and supporters are demanding his release as his health deteriorates amid reports of the inhumane conditions under which he is being held.

    Abu Safia, known for his steadfast presence as director of Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahiya, north of Gaza City, has become central in international discussions on the protection of medical personnel in armed conflicts.

    He insisted on staying at the hospital, along with several medical staff, despite continuous Israeli attacks on the facility.

    Israel eventually surrounded the hospital and forced everyone to evacuate. Since then, Abu Safia has been in detention, and the hospital has been out of service.

    He was transferred between Israeli prisons, from the notorious Sde Teiman holding facility to Ofer Prison, being mistreated continuously.

    No charges have been brought against Abu Safia, who is held under the “unlawful combatant” law, which allows detention without a standard criminal trial and denies detainees access to the evidence against them.

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/free-dr-hussam-abu-safiya

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/8923/2025/en/

    https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/release-dr-hussam-abu-safiya/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    You say that no-one has an issue with Israel defending itself, but I remember in 2023-2024 when Hezbollah started firing rockets into Israel starting on the 8th of October of '23 and nobody cared until about a year later when Israel responded with the pager bombs and physical retaliation against Hezbollah.

    Then the usual suspects piled on Israel as the bad guys, even though things like the pager bombs were about as surgical as it possible for a strike to be.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I see we have moved from defending genocide to defending illegal occupation.

    Colonial Brits would be thrilled to have some people here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Whats your take on the 19 new settlements in the West Bank being approved by Israel?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjg18xe0wwo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I'm not sure what this has to do with tayto_lover's claim that Russia is not committing genocide (with the help of Iran). Do you condemn this?

    FWIW I view those settlements generally negatively.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭wildgreen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You are aware that the "pager bombs" are a War Crime? Something even you have said you are against.

    So, is this yet another example of your hypocrisy?



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