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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,534 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    We've never seen this before on the thread. Nope. Can't defend a position, poor poor me I need to run away now.

    Kind of like a RuZZian deserter. Apparently there are quite a few:

    https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/09/23/un-report-finds-that-over-50000-russian-soldiers-have-deserted-since-2022-en-news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    If there are regions bordering Russia that might want to join Russia (and that are not too strategically important) maybe an internationally recognized referendum could establish that region's wishes.(with something higher than a 50% bar)

    There might be regions on the "other side" that might do the same thing

    Nobody want ingrates or unhappy guests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭greyday


    the end game is for Europe to have enough time to tool up militarily to take on Russia, Putin will not stop, he will take a breather to rearm and go again, Europe will be ready if Ukraine can maintain the stalemate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    If the men of 1916 had listened to some people who advocate capitulation to Russia, they wouldn't have bothered fighting the British Empire. The Putin defenders are in reality defenders of imperialism and colonialism.

    Denis Davydov on situation in Huliapole. He says the Russians are in the town but so are the Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭arctictree


    But how do you hold a valid referendum in an area where a lot of the citizens have been displaced?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,874 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Japan has just allocated $6 billion for Ukraine - fantastic of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The calibre of signals propaganda used to be tad more refined too. We went from «I just want peace» to a «This is an echo chamber!» rage quit in record time during disccusions.

    This might be a sign of the Russian influence campaigning floundering much like everything else in their state. Most fellow travellers we encounter are not typically employees of Orwell Rd, but have been carefully nudged into their opinion by online influence. That in itself takes effort, and the less the Russians have to give, the less effective their acolytes will become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Yes! Lets just give Russia what they want and not listen to Ukraine, they'll just leave us alone after that, fantastic idea!

    Where did you learn your diplomatic skills? They're outstanding!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,874 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Using Maxim machine guns, invented in 1884, to shoot down an Orc drone…Ukrainians!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    4843767-Hilaire-Belloc-Quote-Whatever-happens-we-have-got-The-Maxim-gun.jpg

    !!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Have they? I was thinking about areas are not involved in actual conflict but whose preferences as to national allegiance are in doubt.

    One could presumably hold valid referenda there and they could "switch sides" in a peaceable way if they so wished.

    They would have to be lacking the full shilling to vote to join Russia and so unlikely to be missed anyway.

    It is complicated of course if those regions had been colonized by Russian settlers with forced expulsions so I guess it would be case by case and with a high bar for "success"(over 60% ,I might suggest and with guarantees for the dissenting minority)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    So you want to see an end to the war, but have absolutely no idea about how that could be achieved, nor any opinion on any of the proposals currently being discussed by the "well paid experts".

    Sounds like an almighty cop-out to me.

    As it happens, booting the Russians out of Crimea might be one of the more realistic scenarios to play out, if the Kremlin gambles on a more protracted war. Their navy has already been driven out, their air force is being actively targetted, their fuel and water supplies are fragile … but, hey - why don't you tell us why you think Russia can hang on to these territories for another decade or so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Ukranian accounts saying the leader of the russian volunteer corps i.e. russians fighting for ukraine, has been killed in a drone strike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Hypothetically, and with no restrictions, how would you achieve your plan of booting russia out of of Ukraine (including Crimea) ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Don't think I'd agree with that [as regards the Baltic states].

    First, they are already very small as independent countries go - could they afford to lose some large cities/regions?

    Second, the historical context is that the high % of ethnic Russians in these countries is due to the Soviet plantation/settler type policies, which were forced on them.

    Third, given how woefully all European countries have been doing fending off Russia's active measures and the interference from others, like the CCP, since the dawn of the internet and especially social media, it is not the most stable time to be running binary referendums, esp. on these sorts of questions (extremely far reaching in effects, hard to back out of after, and also pushing on voter's emotional hot buttons - see Brexit).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Joining Russia by referendum has only happened post armed invasions, like the Baltics pre-WW2 or Ukraine in 2022. Our resident vatniks like to point out the results of an Ukrainian election from back in the day, in which a lot of Donbassians voted a certain way, but even in that one the question was not "would you like to join Russia?". But that's all they've got, since no-one wants to join Russia voluntarily.

    Russia isn't democratic, so their elections and referendums only exist as mockery and a way to announce prearranged decisions (like Kherson "joining" Russia, or Putin "winning" elections).

    If anyone in Narva wishes to join Russia, well, just cross the "Friendship" bridge over to Ivangorod. No need for a vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    More orcs on horses, things must be desperate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Estonia prepares for the worst amidst growing Russian provocations. Russia has been exploiting the ebbs and flows of the Narva river, that marks the border, to cross into Estonian territory. While they have withdrawn, it happened again a few days ago. This is how it started in Ukraine in 2014.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,649 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russians appear to be in complete denial at the moment

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Russian steel oligarch Vladimir Potanin, in interview with state TV Russia 24 channel, talks about the state of the Russian economy.

    "I don't want to say the word survival". Vatnik Billionaire Potanin lost his words, describing the state of the economy in Russia. The main owner of "Norilsk Nickel", Vladimir Potanin, struggled to find the words to describe the state of the Russian economy in an interview with the "Russia 24" TV channel. "Of course, [the negative impact is caused by] tax increases, we all understand why they are being raised, and we view this correctly, but this leads to the fact that we are now in such a period...", — Potanin cheerfully began to answer the question."I don't want to say the word 'survival', but this is a period when business is really being tested, entire industries are being tested for viability," — the billionaire concluded after a nearly 10-second pause.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    Ill give it a week before he falls out of a window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    They will move on to heart attack,by injection...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Are you ready to sign up and fight or just be a sideline commentator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Perhaps you are too young Russia has always been a bone of contention and suspicion going back to the communist era .There was the misconception that communists would take over the world the reason for the Vietnam war .Look at Vietnam today .

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I don't see any real effort to push Russian forces back at present . An agreement on the current border with a de militarised zone .Russia wants all the donbas .This appears to be a stumbling point ..Have you ever been to Ukraine or Russia? A lot of Ukrainians actually support Russia notably in the east. Crimea was taken over by Russia without any opposition.Rissians will tell you Yelsin was an alcoholic and soft when the border was drawn up in 1990.A more hard line approach could have avoided this war .

    I was don't see any suggestions from you on a ceasefire .

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Like I said if you read my post a totally unrealistic scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Why are you bringing lies to this discussion thread?

    The armed forces of Ukraine have pushed putin's terrorists out of parts of Ukraine and continue to do so.

    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-liberates-five-villages-in-dnipropetrovsk-region-after-100-day-offensive-14563

    Just because you don't see something does not mean it does not exist.

    Just because you say lots of Ukrainians support russia does not make that real.

    Just because you say there was no opposition to russian occupation of Crimea you don't make that opposition simply not exist.

    The Ukrainians have repeatedly asked for a ceasefire but putin's terrorist state simply insists on Ukraine accepting terms of surrender before they will stop attacking.

    You seem to be making points as delusional as your dear geriatric leader who is now close to causing one and a quarter million casualties among his own troops in his attempts to grab land from Ukraine:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Let Russia go first and have free and fair votes on independence for every ethnic minority across its empire. I suspect I’ll be a principal dancer in the Mariinsky Ballet before that happens.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    How is (s)he wrong?

    Given the various Western countries seem disinclined to actively partake in the fighting in Ukraine, either due to current lack of capability or just shortsightedness, it does seem reasonable that the next-best option available to them is to take note of Ukraine's fortunes and use the time they have available right now to increase their capabilities.

    The decision of any individual to 'sign up' is somewhat irrelevant to such larger issues (Besides, given the increasing return to conscription across Europe, the decision to 'sign up' is starting to be taken out of some folks' hands in the first place).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm genuinely disappointed they've skipped the T-34. Are there still many T-64 used? I'm guessing most get turned into those barns.



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