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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Randycove


    of course, the zionists overlord lizard people are all to blame. Especially Starmers wife eh?

    People are held on remand (currently 17,000 in the UK) for a number of reasons. Mainly because they are considered a flight risk or likely to commit a crime if released on bail. When you consider that Amy Gib is calling for people to rise up and rebel, I would say it is highly likely they would quite happily commit another offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,679 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    He is obviously a Zio and his wife is Jewish. Himself, Lammy and Cooper are the frontline backers of everything pro-Israel in the Labour Government. I can't say if big money is changing hands but it would not surprise me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Nope - nothing to see here. Everything normal, now move along there. Just don't trip over the bodies.


    "The NGOs barred under the new rules include Save the Children, one of the best known and oldest in Gaza, where it helps 120,000 children, and the American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Powerful Haaretz editorial.

    "The only democracy in the Middle East"

    Pants on fire.


    "The government doesn't intend to form a state commission of inquiry, whose members are appointed by the Supreme Court president, because it isn't interested in determining the truth, but in whitewashing it.

    The opposition has rightly announced that it has no intention of cooperating with this.

    No legitimacy should be granted to a farce in which the people being investigated appoint their own investigators and also set limits on the investigation into their failure"

    Haaretz Editorial



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Another key measure of Israeli "democracy".

    I guess it makes sense when there's evidence of graffiti calling to "Gas the Arabs".

    Haaretz:

    • A large majority of Israel's Jewish public opposes the inclusion of Arab parties in the government, a Democracy Index poll found. According to the survey, 71.5 percent of the Jewish public oppose their inclusion, while 77 percent of the Arab public support their joining an Israeli government.
    • The poll showed that 84 percent of Jewish respondents against the inclusion of Arab parties vote for right-wing slates, but 43 percent of centrist voters and about 20 percent of left-wing voters also oppose such a move.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    This is what an Israeli ceasefire looks like.

    :/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Corruption indeed…

    No wonder the Qataris were pissed when Israel bombed their territory - having just trousered a rake of cash. Just like Zaka did immediately after Oct 7th.


    Haaretz:

    • In a public statement, former PM Naftali Bennett called the Qatargate affair – in which Netanyahu's aides are suspected of receiving payments from the Qatari government to promote its interests – "the worst treason event in Israel's history." Bennett added that "Netanyahu himself is covering it up" and that whether the PM knew or not that his office was working for Qatar during a time of war, "both possibilities require his immediate resignation. These are harsh words, but I stand by them fully."
    • Qatargate suspect Israel Einhorn met last week in Washington with Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana, a close associate of Netanyahu, sources told Haaretz. The two met at an event at the Israeli embassy in D.C. hosted by The Jerusalem Post, whose editor-in-chief, Zvika Klein, was questioned under caution on suspicion of involvement in the affair in March. Klein was not present at the event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Another powerful opinion piece from Haaretz. Violence against the Palestinians by Israelis is endemic and systemic.

    Has there ever been such a violent society preying on innocent civilians

    "Settler violence doesn't exist.

    The violence against Palestinians in all its forms – that which is carried out by Israel's armed forces and bureaucrats and that which liberals like to imagine as taking place outside the law – isn't an irregular phenomenon but the essence of Israeliness.

    As in the West Bank, so in Gaza, Jaffa, the Galilee and everywhere else.

    The West Bank isn't the land of the settlers, and the attackers aren't a handful of extremists.

    The attacks are the implementation of a long-established policy of ethnic cleansing that does not begin and does not end with 'extremist settlers' or 'the far-right government'"

    Jonathan Pollak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Collusion, no real suprise.

    "The Israeli settlement watchdog Peace Now has called for the dismissal of the Israeli army’s Central Command chief, accusing him of supporting settler attacks against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank.

    In a statement, Peace Now demanded the removal of Major General Avi Bluth, who oversees the Central Command responsible for the West Bank, explaining that he acts as a representative of the “Hilltop Youth” settler group. The movement described the group as responsible for attacks on Palestinian civilians and the seizure of their land following forced displacement, in order to establish illegal settlement outposts.

    Lior Amichai, the director general of Peace Now, said Bluth was cooperating with settlers and called on Israeli Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir to dismiss him immediately."

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251222-report-accuses-israeli-army-of-backing-settler-attacks-against-palestinians-in-occupied-west-bank/?fbclid=IwY2xjawO2gYhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBsUVUwOW5FcGladjVwZWFRc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHk5HsgauDm-GtaAdYGWyLINg1Wz-wYkjrv-Sv7_UKiK1yQh0LEdC28P4ZRyo_aem_csJihSLU16vtml_PNJX5IA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Are there any Arsenal supporters posting on this thread?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    I am sure they will try to drink and eat when they get home, if the illegal restrictions on their freedom are lifted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's not illegal to hold someone on remand until their trial though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israeli FM issues an appeal for more settlers to move to Palestine

    Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar on Sunday called on Jews living in western countries to move to Israel, citing a rise in antisemitism. His remarks came a week after 15 people were killed in a shooting during a Hanukkah event at Bondi Beach in Sydney.

    Speaking at a public candle-lighting event on the final day of Hanukkah, Saar said: “Jews have the right to live in safety everywhere. But we see and fully understand what is happening, and we have a certain historical experience. Today, Jews are being hunted across the world.”

    Addressing Jewish community and organisation leaders from around the world who attended the event, he added: “Today I call on Jews in England, Jews in France, Jews in Australia, Jews in Canada, Jews in Belgium: come to the Land of Israel! Come home!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    They are being held way beyond the standard 6 months period despite the absence of any exceptional circumstances (apart from possibly bribery by another state)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel will not leave Syria, they will have to be hounded out

    https://www.newarab.com/analysis/living-shadow-israels-expanding-golan-heights-border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://x.com/AbubakerAbedW/status/2002745324662661470?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,386 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I thought this was a very interesting post I read:

    Here we go again. Another emergency meeting, another rush to City Hall - not to confront the grim reality outside its doors, but to posture, preen and perform.

    This time it is a proposed special Belfast City Council meeting to express “solidarity” with Palestine Action activists on hunger strike in English prisons. Not to fix housing. Not to address spiralling homelessness. Not to deal with people literally dying on the streets of Belfast. Instead, councillors are lining up to pass a motion that will change nothing, except further divide the city and expose how detached they have become from the people they represent.

    Let us be clear. These are not prisoners jailed for holding the wrong opinions. They are remand prisoners charged with criminal offences. The organisation they are linked to has been proscribed under terrorism legislation. One individual is alleged to have attacked a policewoman with a sledgehammer. That is violence, not protest, and no amount of emotive language or flag-waving alters that fact.

    Yet councillors want an emergency meeting to “apply pressure” on the British government to drop charges - as though local government can override criminal prosecutions, or as though the rule of law should bend when a hunger strike is deployed as a tactic.

    Step outside City Hall and the contrast is obscene.

    Within minutes you will find rough sleepers curled up in doorways. British citizens - many veterans, many battling addiction or mental illness - freezing, sick and ignored. Some will die this winter. Where is their emergency meeting? Where is the urgent moral outrage when lives are being lost on Belfast’s streets?

    Belfast is not a stage for ideological theatre. It is a city with urgent, unresolved problems: a housing crisis, overstretched services, rising costs and communities desperate for practical leadership. Instead, councillors expend energy on international gestures they cannot influence while local suffering is treated as background noise.

    And this indulgence is not free. Special meetings, legal advice, staff time, security and chamber costs are all paid for by ratepayers - people already struggling with soaring bills and shrinking incomes. They are funding motions that carry no legal force and deliver no measurable benefit to the city.

    The hypocrisy from Sinn Féin and People Before Profit is stark. They demand respect for the law when it suits them, yet are quick to undermine it when those charged align with their politics. Violence is condemned selectively, reframed rhetorically, and excused when convenient. You cannot claim to support justice while demanding charges be dropped because you approve of the cause.

    Worse still, lending political support to individuals linked to a proscribed terrorist organisation does not just embarrass Belfast - it risks dragging the city back into dangerous territory. It normalises the idea that violence can be justified if wrapped in the right language. Belfast of all places should know where that road leads.

    This is not compassion. It is recklessness.

    While councillors indulge symbolism and moral grandstanding, people sleep rough, services buckle and trust in local government continues to erode. Belfast does not need more gestures. It needs councillors capable of focusing on the city they were elected to serve.

    If they cannot tell the difference between governance and protest, they have no business sitting in that chamber.

    And voters should remember every name attached to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,462 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If they hadn't been deemed as 'terrorists' by the Starmer government, one wonders if any of them would now be on remand and not out on bail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Considering that

    A: Syria is now run by jihadis and
    B: Israel needs to be ready to protect Druze minorities from extermination by said jihadis

    I don't think it would be a good idea to remove Israel from Southwestern Syria.

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    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Randycove


    none of them are being treated as, or charged in connection with terrorist offenses.
    17,000 people are on remand in the UK, data isn’t great, but in June 2023 over 770 had been on remand for over one year.
    But hey, these people should be treated differently right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Australia bends the knee to Israel. Over 100,000 dead Palestinians and Albanese invites the person most responsible to visit him and wants to buy their genocide proven weapons!

    Australian Prime Minister ‍Anthony Albanese said on Tuesday ‍he called Israeli President Isaac Herzog and invited him to visit ⁠Australia, expressing his shock and dismay over the attack at the Jewish community Chanukah event on Bondi Beach ‍last week.

    https://thecradle.co/articles/australia-evaluates-purchase-of-israeli-ai-powered-weapons-used-in-gaza-report



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    "One individual is alleged to have attacked a policewoman with a sledgehammer."

    Which of the hunger strikers is alleged to have struck a policewoman with a sledgehammer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Caitlin Johnstone

    There was a mass shooting in Sydney so that means everything that happened over the previous two years gets erased, just like how October 7 automatically deleted the last eight decades. Everything that happened before the bad thing gets shaken out of existence like an Etch A Sketch, and anything that’s done afterward is justified by the bad thing. If this happens to advance pre-existing Israeli agendas like massive land grabs or suppression of pro-Palestine demonstrators, so be it. Them’s the rules.

    There was a mass shooting in Australia so now everyone needs to shut up and do whatever Israel wants. Israel feels sad about the shooting so now it gets to do a bit more genocide, as a treat. It’s only fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Of course they're not lizard people, that's just anti semitic non sense. Lizards only kill for food and don't appear to enjoy it, it's a smear on lizards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,462 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    An influencer in the UK says she has been approached by some PR agency to push pro-Jewish talking points and to talk up the dangers of anti-Semitism on her social media channels in the wake of the Bondi attacks and to clearly reference this attack - unclear who is behind this campaign and who is funding it. Clearly a lot of dodgy stuff by bad actors going on in the last 10 days or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Don't you know it's anti semitic to point out that a tiny country in the middle east with a population of 9.5 million people has such inordinate influence in western media and is able to make entire political classes ignore a genocide and throw their own citizens in prison for protesting against said genocide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Last 10 days?

    This has been going on for decades. Almost every single member of congress and the senate have been bought by the pro-genocide lobby. The same thing goes in the UK, the two major parties in parliament are heavily lobbied and paid for the "Friends of Israel" society. It's the type of influence putler can only dream of.



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