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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    A hell of alot of it will never leave the EU, it will be spent directly in EU defence contractors where possible just not at inflated US prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭midlander12


    There is of course some truth in that, I suppose the issue is how long you wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Putin's SMO will go down as the biggest blunder in modern history.

    I can't think of anything worse.

    He's probably destroyed his own country and Ukraine for generations.

    Whenever it's over, which might be years away, Ukraine will join the EU and NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,605 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    It is an institution built on sand. It never comes to being without USA need to keep USSR in check in post war period.

    No empire in history had peace and stability without a dominant military,

    At it's heart there is no military presence, there is still no EU army or any idea how to get there.

    It's structures are so inflexible that 4 years in they can't even donate Russian money to Ukraine or ban the buying of Russian energy.

    It's structure hasn't allowed for us to produce enough children to provide an army or not need huge immigration. An issue which is tearing the union apart at the seams.

    Any institution which follows the EU model in future will likely end in tears.

    If you are USA/Chinese/russian/Indian leader who do you call when you want to speak EU and can the person you get speak with a mandate for all Europeans?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,027 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    It was never designed to be an empire. Yes, Europe depended on the US after WWII but that was a deliberate choice after two self-inflicted catastrophes. The goal was to make war between European states impossible, not to project military power worldwide.

    If anything, Putin’s war has forced collective change. A very rapid reduction of dependence on Russian energy, increased defence spending and production and long-term strategic thinking that simply didn’t exist before.

    EU support for Ukraine has clearly hurt the Kremlin — and long may that coninue.

    F*ck Putin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    What evidence for 'long-term strategic thinking' do you see emerging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    Theres massive changes afoot in the EU in both military and monetary systems, which will greatly diminish if not remove American influence. They'll be in place within 3 to 4 yrs. The EU is not like other major superpowers, it has no interest in projecting strength beyond defending its own territory and monetary systems.

    Anyone arguing to be outside the EU is a fool. Theres no future in it. Ireland would have been devastated by American tariffs outside the EU, the Balkans would already be back in Russian hands, Poland wouldn't be able to afford the military it has built, Britain has experienced the folly of leaving the union. All the anti EU waffle tries to ignore the fact that if it weren't in position, we'd all be sitting ducks for the big boys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Some of us on this thread would like to see Ireland make a more serious effort at self-defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Or he's just on the ball.

    In a message posted on its Telegram channel, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) announced on December 20 that Ukrainian long-range drones hit two Russian Su-27 fighter jets at the Belbek airfield in Russian-occupied Crimea…."Long-range drones of the SBU's Alpha Special Operations Center hit two Su-27 aircraft at the Russian airfield in Belbek, temporarily occupied in Crimea. One of the planes was on a taxiway with a full load and ready for a combat mission," SBU officials wrote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Czechia has only just started down the wrong road with their new prime minister Babiš so I might cut them some slack but the other two are led by avowed enemies of Europe, especially Orbán. Apart from the obvious financial benefits, why would they even want to be part of the EU? They don’t belong there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Support for Ukraine will continue. We are on Ukraine's side; it is a country that defends itself, and the aggressor is Russia. This is the foundation. It's just about how, as optimally as possible - including from the perspective of our national interests - to continue supporting Kyiv," the minister said.

    No one contests the initiative for ammunition, but the decision will be taken by the entire government, says the minister

    About the fate of the ammunition initiative, according to Zůna, the government as a whole will decide. "A meeting will be prepared for the prime minister, with the participation of experts, who will deal with how to continue in this initiative. Essentially, the ammunition initiative is not contested by anyone; it is about the management process and how to move forward," Zůna informed.

    Czech pollies might have done a re-think. The execution of the Serb in Moscow might not have delivered the message or incentives the Kremlin was hoping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    My response was to merely clarify that this attack did not include the destroyed mig from the other day which occurred during a previous attack.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The EU is lawful. And consensus based. And publishes it's negotiating positions. And they'll give you a face-saving compromise. So very easy to deal with if you want to keep it simple. ( As with all negotiations the devil is in the detail. )

    Europe produces the likes of Bismark, Machiavelli and Talleyrand if you want to pay difficult.

    It's not a dictatorship where one man can change his mind tomorrow. Or a two party system where the other party will reverse everything at the next election. It's the whole point of an organisation that has prevented war between it's members.

    It means that Ukraine will get the €90Bn. And Ukraine doesn't have to pay it back until Russia starts paying reparations.

    NB. Ireland will hold its eighth Presidency of the Council of the European Union from 1 July to 31 December 2026



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Babis has been in power before and is a bit of a motormouth. I'm not sure his last govt was seen as being fifth-columnist in the way Orban and Fico certainly are.

    What is really remarkable is that these 3 countries were all actually invaded by the old USSR for attempting to set up a less doctrinaire version of socialism, yet are now enthusiastically collaborating with their former invaders. Hungary and Slovakia also had extensive histories of collaboration with the Nazis during WW2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    I could see Ireland joining a European military alliance with French and Spanish (both finally fulfilling historical pledges 😆) and German troops/defence systems on Irish soil. Not NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I doubt anyone is interested in setting one up, everyone who wants to be a member of a military alliance is already in NATO (except Ukraine). Trump or not, all the organisation is in place in NATO. It's just another excuse for Ireland to not take defence seriously and postpone things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    About fifteen years ago, or thereabouts, I was in the Czech Republic laying the foundations for a cross-border business. My last meeting of the day was with a guy who used to be a pilot during the Soviet era, and who explained that he had to conceal the fact he could speak English, otherwise he would not have been allow regularly fly routes to the West.

    He went on to say that he was bitterly disappointed to see his son and the son's peers turn their back on everything that the EU had done for the Czech Republic, arguing that "things were better under the Soviets." Like so many Brexiters, these were young people who'd never known any life other than being in the EU, and definitely had no first-hand knowledge of how things were really were under the Soviets. They just believed the Kremlin-sponsored propaganda and (presumably) still do today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    For those who downplay the Russian casualty figures - especially those who cling to the mythical 3-injured-for-every-1-killed ratio - here's an alternative view of the situation. Well, not that alternative, because we've seen numerous reports of 60-90% wipe-outs over the last couple of years.

    Summary:

    The picture that emerges is stark. Frontline units are being kept populated with whoever remains, regardless of health, injury, or survivability. What once shocked even sympathetic observers is now described as routine.

    The desperation is evident, and so is the indifference to whether the men sent forward live or die.

    A military that sends the wounded and ill into assault units is not winning. It is burning through what it has left.

    This also matches (pretty much) what we're seeing on the ground: Russia can deliver either men or munitions to the frontline, but usually not both. Recently, any time Ukraine has decided to mount a serious counter-offensive (albeit limited), they drive the Russians back pretty quickly.

    Any gains the Russians make come about as a result of indiscriminate bombing from aircraft (and ships) operating well behind the frontline … and there are signs that Ukraine is working on neutering that threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭midlander12


    A lot of young people (and not so young) seem to live entirely in an online world, unburdened by any connection to physical reality. Apparently large numbers of women in various parts of provincial England think they might now have to wear a burqa if visiting London. They live in areas with little or no foreign-born populations, and vote for Farage because they're 'worried about immigration'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    This seems a bit doubtful. Pilots conduct business internationally through English, and all air traffic control messages etc are in English. So a pilot would have to prove they could speak English to be allowed fly internationally.

    However, Czechs should examine their own history, things were not better under the Soviets. These people should look at life in the occupied areas of Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3magyize6x22n

    Putin personally chose Witkoff as the key negotiator with the U,S — WSJ.

    So,Witkoff was personally chosen to be negotiator by the president,just not the president of the USA.

    The Kompromat must be extensive and heinous.

    What a farce!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Virtual emigrants?

    Sounds mad. Have you any kind of a link to back that up?(large numbers of women believing that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    Saw a great video online of Tommy Robinson attending a boxing event in Saudi Arabia and getting confronted by a British boxer who was Muslim for his hypocrisy of going to a Muslim country when he claims they're all dirty rapists. Watching him squirm was pretty satisfying. It just shows all the guys leading these different factions are just in it for notoriety and soft money.



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


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    Giorgi Navana (Cyberwolf) cartoonist 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The freezing of the assets indefinitely as per Article 122 is an important safeguard against a potential French President Bardella blocking a renewal of their freezing. Before this, all the sanctions had to be unanimously renewed every 6 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,605 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    If it's not an empire then what is it. It's all well in being the nicest place in history when those security cheques are underwritten by the USA.

    The assumption that the USA were always going to have our best interest at heart has seen to false.

    My brother has spent the last 20 years working on American bases in Europe, where is Europe if they decide to up sticks?

    In dealing with Russian incursions into EU airspace and general russian aggression EU has been limp dick.

    Spending on defence is a first step without a cohesive EU army we will still be dependent on USA. When Germany were asked in the last few months about taking NATO leadership role they baulked at it.

    I see you didn't address

    *A similar example to the EU from history

    *Fertility rate and implications for defence and immigration

    *Funding Ukraine with Russian money held in EU institutions

    The OP I responded to was of the view EU was the best place in all history to live. It may well be, but it's built on sand.

    It's so tied up in legal rules in can't deal with the wolf currently at our door. Hungary and Slovakia are acting the boll1x throughout the war and our rules, especially if they support each other, leave us powerless to sanction not to mind expell them.

    The Poles, Baltic states seem to have more stomach for a fight, because they remember what life was like under Russian rule but the older EU nations don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,027 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Once again, it's not an empire because it was designed not to be one. Law and economic ties over physical force were used to prevent war within. The EU is slow because it's bound by law. Yes it's a weakness in war but it's also why Europe can be trusted in peacetime.

    Reliance on the US wasn’t naïve, it was the post-war settlement (Truman Doctrine, Marshall Plan and NATO). These were about stabilising Western Europe while it rebuilt. That was the deal. Now we all know that the US is no longer guaranteed - and can't be trusted - and Europe needs to adjust: defence spending, arms production, energy independence. None of that existed pre-2022 but we are moving along with it. This can't be done overnight.

    The EU has already survived being written off multiple times but it's still here. the Cold War division of Europe, the 2008 financial and euro crisis, Brexit, COVID and dealing with Putin's ego. Fertility decline isn't just an EU problem, most developed countries are struggling. Fortunately Russia's meatgrinding will stagnate theirs for another while.

    Europe can be messy but certainly isn't built on sand. It’s survived crises that would have shattered most empires because it isn’t one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    when it’s all over- this SMO- say , in about 3+ years from now the following will , hopefully, have been achieved by Putin:-

    (1) an expanded NATO - some countries regards on Ru’s border

    (2) a MUCH STRONGER EU - both in terms of military expenditure and capability, more cohesiveness amongst members and much more cooperation

    (3) A US president in place, hopefully, that will be much more Ukr friendly.

    (4) Russia will be trading in a very unfriendly international environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    US-Russia talks underway in Miami.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Taken from a Bsky post:

    ■ Engagements well above average; Russia continues to lose well over a thousand men per day; no area gains confirmed

    Trump sees these animals as winners?

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