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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    for your father you could look at Connect Simplicity or prosper care if willing to take on ortho shortfall.

    There is a two year upgrade rule for inpatient treatment. So for any upgrades for any pre existing conditions you need to wait 2 years for any upgrade in cover.

    If looking at alternatives to Laya you are looking at the HG2 with the discount as a strong alternative. It has lower excess’s for in patient treatment and also has a much higher outpatient cap of €4,000 versus €1,000 plan inspire so if a lot of outpatient expenses something to consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 irelans


    My partner and I and our two small children have wound up on EnhancedCare 350 and we don't really know why. Who is this plan aimed at? None of us have any medical issues at present but would like access to urgent care facilities with the kids if possible and this plan did offer that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭bluedoor27


    Hi ruddy1987,

    I am currently with Laya Simply Connect and just got my renewal. It's going up by €40 a month so I think it's time I looked at changing. I am 43yr female with arthritis currently confined to hands at the moment. What's important to me is getting something back when I visit consultant etc and low excess. Any advice? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭gunnerfitzy


    Hi Ruddy,

    Firstly, thanks so much for taking the time to answer people's queries here. It's deeply appreciated.

    My wife and I (mid 40s) are on Irish Life Better Select ILH paid by an employer.

    Work circumstances may be changing in the near future and we are looking at options we may be paying for ourselves.

    Personally, considering the benefits of the Better Select ILH plan, I thinking it's pretty good value considering many day to day expenses are covered to 75% with €1 excess. We would use GPs, consultants, physio etc quite a bit.

    We don't have any major health conditions currently, thankfully.

    Are there any alternatives to this plan you would suggest to consider?

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    This would be viewed as a good mid level plan. Nothing better in premium terms for benefits with VHI. It would be similar to the Plan B with Level or the My Plan range with Irish Life Health. These plans generally suit younger members who are healthy but want access to good hospital coverage in the event something happens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    If you want the exact same coverage with 80% ortho only you could move to Inspire Plus (€1,776.07) versus €2,473.09.

    If you want to keep the full ortho and upgrade cash back to 75% for consultants I would increase your spend to Propsoer advanced €2,563.55.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    Better select is a good value plan, wouldn't be recommending a change of it if happy with cover. One small flag on the plan is that it only has 90% cover for certain special procedures in Mater Private and Blackrock Clinic (these would be 100% covered on plans like Health Guide 2). But if ok with that exclusion its a good value plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Wow, Thank you Ruddy, I just came across this thread and read some of your recommendations.

    My wife is 38 I am 48, we are both self employed. We are both healthy, and both fit. We have no history of underlying conditions and don't foresee anything in our families history. We do check -uos every two years. We have no children and don't plan on having any.

    I guess we would like to be covered in case either of us are hit with a serious illness. What plan would you recommend for us please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭gillamandango


    Currently shopping around for my Mothers renewal - currently on VHI - AdvancedCare 50 Day-to-Day - €2800 Renewal this year. Had a look at the comparisons and thinking about Plan C below as an alternative. She is 77, no cardiac issues, has MS and suffers from UTI's and can spend a few weeks a year in Hospitals due to these infections. She is always put in public wards as based near Limerick so the Private/Semi Private room is a moot point. I think the extra Excess's will still come in cheaper than the VHI plan that has lower excess on certain benefits.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    Just to confirm do you have any health insurance currently? If not the issue you will have to take into consideration is LCR loadings that will apply to you, and to a lesser extend your wife. This will add a significant loading to your plan (28%) where you to take out cover.

    You might confirm if you have cover (and what plan currently) or if not and i can throw out some plans to consider.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    The only reason she should be on that plan is if she was looking for full cover for orthopaedic procedures. If she is happy with either 80% cover or a co co payment of €3,000 with Irish Life i would be recommending:

    1. Health Guide 2- €1,603.64 via link https://www.totalhealthcover.ie/health-insurance-quote?preselectedPlan=170H3D1
    2. Health Guide 3- €1,970.56 via link https://www.totalhealthcover.ie/health-insurance-quote?preselectedPlan=169H3D1
    3. PMI 24 10 - Much better day to day cover and fixed excess for stays in Private Hospital
    4. PMI 48 10- Better day to day coverage and same excess for Private hospital stays

    Plan C for me is only suitable if next to no day case expenses.

    HIA comparison below

    https://www.hia.ie/comparison-tool/results/3AARozQ5OaUxMTI0OcKQkAGhMKM2MDAAk80H6QwRwpXNATDNAQ7NAQjNAUXNAUSVBwQFCQaQkZOlQWR1bHQAAcPD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 coolaid25


    Hi, I am 32 and I have been on PMI 43 16 for the last 6 years but the price increase to almost €1800 this year has prompted me to look elsewhere. My partner is on the Laya Propser plan, while definitely losing some of the day to day benefits and higher excess there is a saving of €50 per month. I've compared the two plans on the HIA website.

    I am wondering how it works if I drop to a lower level of cover and decide to then move back to a plan with a higher level cover then is there a waiting period to not be liable for higher excess etc and access to better day to day expenses.

    I was on the phone to VHI and they suggested enhancedcare 350 day to day. The main difference with this appears to be no coverage in hi tech hospitals. Probably a silly question but what is the difference between a private hospital and a hi tech hospital?

    Thanks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    PMI 43 16 is still strong despite the price increase, the alternative for similar cover would be Health Guide 2- €1,603.64 via link  https://www.totalhealthcover.ie/health-insurance-quote?preselectedPlan=170H3D1 .

    If you drop down cover to a plan like Prosper you would have immediate cover for any day to day items if you upgraded again, but you would be limited to the previous level of hospital cover you had on the lower plan for two years for an existing conditions (immediate cover for any new conditions).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 coolaid25


    Thanks for the reply. That's good to know. It definitely pays to spend a while comparing these plans. There's a lot to consider



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Thanks for that, no, I don't have any have never had health insurance, My wife is a permanent resident here, she has never had health insurance either. She will be applying for citizenship in early 2027



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 cgho


    Thank you for all your advice here, ruddy. I am a 48 year old male. History of cancer and cardiac surgeries but in good health now. Currently with Level Health Plan C day to day. Increased significantly this year, so looking for a chaper option. Renewal is 3rd January. I have a Medical Card.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 coolaid25


    How important is having some level of hi tech hospital cover? I am looking at enhancedcare 350 day to day and Prosper. The enhancedcare 350 day to day doesn't have any hi tech hospital cover but has a higher outpatient policy limit.

    Do MRIs/CT scans etc count towards you outpatient policy limit if these are directly paid to the hospital?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    If you are looking for similar cover and a saving it be looking to Health Guide 2 €1,603.64 here .

    Increase in in patient excess from €75 to €150. But the same day case excess. Outpatient excess is way better at €1/€10. HIA link below:

    https://www.hia.ie/comparison-tool/results/3AARozQ5OaUxMTI0OcKQkAGhMKM2MDAAk80H6QwRwpPNAXDNAUTNAUWVBwQFCQaQkZOlQWR1bHQAAcPD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If you have returned \ come to Ireland from abroad and don't have health instance - note there are circumstances in which the loading may be waived:

    • If you lived outside Ireland on 1 May 2015 and buy health insurance within 9 months of moving to Ireland, you do not need to pay the LCR loading.
    • If you lived in Ireland on 1 May 2015 and moved outside Ireland on or after 1 November 2018, you can get a credit for periods you spent abroad of 6 months or more. This is called a “qualifying credited period.” If you receive credit for your time abroad, you will be assessed as if you had health insurance for that time abroad, even if you did not have any cover.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/returning-to-ireland/looking-after-your-health/returning-to-ireland-and-buying-private-health-insurance/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 JupiterCrossing


    Hi ruddy1987,

    I am currently looking for my father, he is currently on Laya Simply Connect. It is going up from €1950 to €2,480. It looks to be an outdated plan anyway.

    I got a quote for Irish life 4D Health 2, Price €1,940.00 which seems quite competitive. I think the main difference would be the orthopaedic 2k co-payment.

    What do you think, anything else I should consider?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    Yes Simply connect is just to expensive now and poor value. If you want to keep the full ortho you are looking at moving to Proposer Advanced which is more expensive (€2,563.55) but much better cover.

    If you want the same cover with Laya with a 20% shortfall on ortho you are looking at Inspire Plus (€1,776.07). I personally wouldn't be recommending 4D Health 2. Its due a massive price increase from the 1st of January, that price is the 31st of December price (so if you went with it you would definitely be moving plan again next year). If you are ok with Co-Payments Health Guide 2 €1,603.64 here (slightly more expensive if you start 31st December so recommend starting 1st of January). That's over €300 cheaper than 4D 2 and hospital cover almost identical (€3k co payment for ortho and €500 for ophthalmic).

    If you are willing to start on 31st of December i would say Better Select with Irish Life Health (starting 31/12) is also good value at €1,756. HIA below:

    https://www.hia.ie/comparison-tool/results/3AARozQ5OaUxMTI0OcKQkAGhMKM2MDAAk80H6QwRwpVTzQELzQFECSCVBwQFCQaQkZOlQWR1bHQAAcPD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    The answer probably varies depending on where you live and your age. If 50 + and within 90 minutes of Dublin id say its important. If anything happened heart related i would want to have cover for cardiac procedures in Mater Private, they specialise in it and you will get the best care. However if younger or not close to Dublin access to these hospitals not as important.

    Usually not, your outpatient limit usually covers cash back on items like consultants, GP's, physio etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    You are probably getting close to the point where you need to make a decision if you ever want to have PMI. Your loading is significant. For you I would be looking at an entry level plan to get you in the system, the First cover or plan A type plan. You serve your waiting periods and got through the loadings on a plan with a lower premium. You should then look to upgrade cover as you get older and your needs change, and your loading will fall away eventually (after 10 years).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 924 ✭✭✭A Law


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 924 ✭✭✭A Law


    I've always thought about doing this. If you hold off getting insurance until 45, that a 20% loading until your 55. A decent policy at €2000 will cost you a loading of €4000 over the 10 years and then you're back to normal. You've saved the €20000 in premiums from 35-45. The only caveat is that you're not going to need the insurance until 50 which is a risk, however most healthy people should be fine. You also have the public system to fall back on or just pay in the case of elective surgery if it's really urgent. Is my logic way off here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 924 ✭✭✭A Law


    I was trying to quote your reply to ballyharpat but not sure what's gone wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭ballyharpat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    This has been my train of thought, as I have fortunately been healthy and did not need to see a specialist, the one time I thought I may have needed one, I was going to pay cash and get it reduced off my taxes anyway, but now I'm getting close to 50 and I guess it's time to bite the bullet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭Entonces


    Hi ruddy amazing thread here..my wife and 2 young kids are on Health Guide 2 and wondering if better value out there. No health issues.

    Separately my son and I were on heath guide 2 but I recently moved us to a Level health plan B with silimar cover for less cost.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭gillamandango




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