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Mass shooting on Bondi Beach

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Palestine, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Qatar.

    This year!

    Is there any stop to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The Brown attack was a review session for exams... I haven't seen any reference to it being Islamic or anti Semitic but feel free to provide some sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I see it's being alleged that a particular classroom was targeted:

    Also as yet unconfirmed reports that the shooter shouted "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire.

    Neither of those have yet been officially confirmed - and indeed the President of Brown University is coming under attack for not being able to give any information many hours after the events. I'm not sure going on there exactly. In 2021 students protested that there were far too many CCTV cameras on the campus, so have those all been removed or something?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭AyeGer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,525 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It would be difficult not to view the Muslim population of Israel not being the underdogs for some considerable time. And not just due to the recent total destruction of Gaza.The present Israeli regime has not done those of the Jewish faith any favours with the recent Gaza campaign either by their attempts to shut down any disagreement with their "you are either with us or against us" by tarring all Jews with the same brush.

    It might not stop all the violence, but sorting out the Palestinian question would go a long way to doing so, and the only way imo of doing that is the two state solution. Unfortunately Israel, with the backing of the present U.S. administration, are further away than ever from agreeing to that.

    If w



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The recent attact in Bondi and other physical anti-semetic attacks around the world are a consequence of the rising anti-semitism in western couintries, which we have witnessed here in Ireland by RTE's decision to withdraw from Eurovision and the attempted re-naming of the Park in Dublin. All are attempts to eradicate and silence Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    All are attempts to eradicate and silence Jews.

    This is demonstrably a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Given that the Palestinians have refused a two state solution over and over, how do you suggest the situation be "sorted out"? And why should Australians be attacked - how is it their responsibility? Those two things together make me think that it's not actually about "finding a solution", it's really about getting rid of Jews.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Eradicate them first from the media, airwaves, song cotests and history. Ostracize them. Then it only a short step for a few extremists to physically attack them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    When anti semitism and Jew hatred masqueraded under the guise of social justice and care for humanity is allowed to fester and roam unchecked then incidents like this are the inevitable consequences. RIP to all the deceased and thoughts and prayers with their families and friends. 

    The Australian government can't hide their heads underneath the sand any longer. Their country just like pretty much other western countries has a serious anti semitism problem right now. It's time to call out this disingenuous behaviour and virtue signalling by some pro Palestinian/anti Israeli activists and celebrities for being the anti semitic nazism that it actually is.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    11 Jewish people brutally murdered and Paul Murphy, Mary Lou McDonald, Holly Cairns and Boyd Barrett have nothing to say about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Accusing RTE and others of being antisemitic because they oppose the inclusion of Israel being part things like the Eurovision, as a protest against the slaughter of around 100,000 people over the space of 2 years, isn't just highly stupid, it's an insult to Jewish people who have experienced genuine and horrendous antisemitism. You're as bad as Shatter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    This isn't the first time you've made claims that "allahu akbar" was shouted based on somebody saying it on Twitter. Care to share your sources? I'm seeing conspiracy theorists like Laura Loomer pushing it..

    The president of Brown University isn't law enforcement. But once again if you check who she is coming under attack from, it's weird Twitter accountS. No news outlet etc is on the offensive against her etc outside of one question that was asked about what the students were doing in the room. (It was an economics exam prep thing.)

    So let's be honest, you're pushing rumours from questionable Twitter accounts because they fit your preferred narrative. You're choosing not to wait for an investigation to actually occur and you'll move on to the next tragedy and make similar claims.

    At this point in time, nobody from news outlets or law enforcement.has claimed the Brown University attack was anti semitic or an Islamic attack. Laura Loomer and co are the ones making these claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Islam began with Mohammad and his armies massacring the Jews of Khaybar because they refused to convert. 1400 years later and not a lot has changed.

    All those who have demonised Jews are responsible for this. In Australia for this particular incident of course, but Ireland has been no better. Herzog park, RTE and Eurovision, occupied territories bill, recognising a Palestinian state, tolerating marches with the Hamas flag. All sowing the seeds of hatred. Then they "wonder" how this can happen? Of course it happens. The main reason there'll be no such attack in Ireland is because Ireland's Jews are already wary of appearing visibly Jewish in public.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's strange how some previous posters in this thread are appalled by antisemitism and the hive minding of jews ,but yet at the same time they are perfectly happy to ascribe the actions of these individuals who perperated the shooting with muslims as a collective. As regards the shooting, unless it could be established that the shooters knew every victim on that beach participitated in IDF war crimes in Gaza, which, of course they couldn't, then this shooting can only be classed as an abhorrent act of anti-semitism. It's just a pity some posters, while rightly condemning the massacre on Bondi Beach, then go out of their way to excuse atrocities elsewhere- both are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I said it was alleged and not confirmed. We'll see. I haven't mentioned the Jewish family in California whose house was shot at for having a Hanukkah candle stand in their window.

    But that was probably just bad luck, right?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,981 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So the people who called for Israel to be banned from The Eurovision and The World Cup are responsible for this?

    Dont talk such nonsense.

    You don't think Israel slaughtering nearly 100,000 people in Gaza might be playing into the anger of the gunmen? Pity you dont show as much compassion for the kids blown to pieces in Gaza as you do for these 10 or 11 people on the beach.

    All are innocent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm sure what you cited just now is anti semitic... You haven't provided any credible proof in relation to the Brown University attack though. My point is, random crap from Twitter is never credible and even less so when one of the proponents is Laura Loomer. Saying "alleged and not confirmed" doesn't make it anything more than a poorly sourced claim. I'll leave you to it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,297 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Clearly the reaction to the Oct 7th attack has lead to a lot of hate. US, UK,France, Germany haven't attacked innocent women and children, and flattened whole towns and cities and tried to starve millions to death on the back of attacks against them. Go after the scum responsible, I'm all for that.

    This attack at Bondi was just more innocent lives lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Pat734


    Terrible what has happened in Australia and I see it was possibly jewish people who were attacked. If so, the israeli Goverment are certainly not helping the jews worldwide with what they are doing in Palestine. Over 60,000 men women and children slaughtered and some people on here are blaming good people for marching on the streets trying to stop the genocide being carried out by netanyahu and his criminals with the continued help of the Usa.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Nearly 100,000 people in Gaza? Do people seriously believe the bullshit that the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry actually spouts? Perhaps if there wasn't an October 7th and if Hamas showed more concern for the welfare of the civilian population in Gaza, instead of deliberately dragging them into this conflict at every possible opportunity then things might have turned out better for all concerned parties here. Of course these are also the same people who don't give two shites when Hamas execute their own civilian population in Gaza.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The gunmen weren't "angry." They're insane. Anger against atrocity is a 'normal' response. Murder isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That's a narrative in your head, it has no basis in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Clearly the reaction to the Oct 7th attack has lead to a lot of hate

    Yeah how dare Israel respond to over 1000 of their citizens being murdered and hundreds more kidnapped and ill-treated in Gaza? Really the neck on them.

    And obviously attacking English, American or Australian Jews is a perfectly sane response to Israel's invasion of Gaza. Sure anyone would do the same. That's why the British attack the Irish in Australia and around the world because of the children killed by the IRA in Warrington and Mullaghmore and so on.

    Oh wait. They didn't. At most they were a bit mean to some Irish people actually living in England.

    But then there are no Jews left in most Middle Eastern/North African countries so they can't have a pogrom against them there any more. Sneaky Jews, fleeing Syria and Iraq and Tunisia and Yemen so they can't be murdered. It's not fair really. Not that they're considered as refugees of course. Not like the Palestinians who inherit refugee status generations on. No other displaced people have that right.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,515 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I don’t want to read seven pages, but is it safe to assume it’s the usual “how do I make this tragedy all about my opinions “?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    No it's how do we blame the Jews for being murdered. Again.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also worth noting the guy who intervened and disarmed one of the attackers is Ahmed El Ahmed. He was shot twice and is a Muslim. Courageous man and hopefully he recovers fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This post is insulting in its absence of the facts of the last several years/decades in general, and 2 years in particular.

    To post the above as if everything we've heard and seen hasn't happened and how it has influenced emotions is straight out of a very worn handbook that is being used all too much everywhere from social media to some of the biggest news organisations there is.

    You can post it, most here will see it for what it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,184 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I'd prefer if Ireland was neutral about Israel. We are supposed to be a neutral country, but only when it suits us because we don't have an army/navy to speak of, but words and other actions are just as combative these days. Ireland's stance on Israel is too in your face right now not to be a tad dangerous for all of us, no matter what side of the fence you sit on.



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