Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

He just can't help himself, someone in the press really needs to call him out on these lies.

You keep going back to prescription drugs to justify the claim that the CDC recommendations are somehow corrupted in relation to vaccines. The policy the US is moving towards is that of a vaccine conspiracy theorist. The white house has pushed the claim that vaccines cause autism... The idea that is a remotely positive direction for US public health policy is nonsense. In fact pushing such claims is a negative for the public in the same way as falsely attributing random drugs as cures for COVID.

Simple question, have you any research to prove that US vaccine policy has been in some way detrimental to the US public? You already tried to dodge it in your response to @ancapailldorcha .

Btw, the claim that vaccines cause autism related to Andrew Wakefield pushing non combined vaccines which was his own vested interest. Trump actually pushed the claim that separated doses were fine. You seem far less concerned that Trump and RFK have their own vested interests that are defining these policies.

Yep I've got a preexisting illness. I was on a pretty advanced treatment for a number of years and developed pretty debilitating issues towards the end of my time on it. My body built up antibodies to it. My physical reaction, my doctor had never seen. There was one journal article on the reaction but it was very much so considered rare. This wouldn't mean that I would ever recommend against somebody using it, it was highly effective when it worked and I had a unique negative reaction.

Not a hope I would believe in the idea that "the person taking the medication knows best" with the amount of shte I have heard over the years. The amount of wild exaggeration and wild dot connects people come out with are ridiculous.

"The doctor put me on these tablets and then I got hit by a car. I never got hit by no car before I started taking them. You wouldn't know what they would be giving you"

This was the issue with the Wakefield scandal. The media would pit mothers of children against scientists so that the scientists would come across as cold and uncaring for speaking the truth. The hidden premise that being a parent turns on into a paediatrician was one that never got questioned or pulled out. It's impossible to counter such a powerful emotional argument with sterile facts and statistics.

To be clear, I am not having a go at parents of autistic children here. I am having a go at one of the worst human beings of the twentieth century and corporate media.

The European protocols don't make sense in the US because their health system isn't remotely similar to ones in Europe. Individual European countries even vary. So nope, policies will and should vary based on local factors. That's normal for health policy.

And herein we see the true genius of Donald Trump, or rather the puppeteers in the shadows pulling his strings.

To stick with (vaguely) scientific analogies: Trump is grain of impurity around which the molecules in a saturated solution crystalise. We've reached the point where our social space - virtual and real-world - is so saturated with all kinds of "information" that it only takes a one small piece of nonsense to precipitate a chain of events (or tangential discussion) that distracts us all from things that we'd should be looking at and being seriously worried about.

Trump is the useful idiot, the lightning rod, the turd around which all flies congregate - but he's not really the problem. Take the oft-cited lament "when are journalists going to call him out on [insert stupidity here]?" when the Trump puppeteers have evidently made it impossible to do so. But no-one has doorstopped Infantino and asked him to justify how he could have awarded Trump a "peace prize" while he's actively engaged in warmongering with Venezeula and deliberately encouraging Russia to keep battering Ukraine.

These people who suck up to Trump on a daily/weekly basis are his enablers and drag "our" interests and communities into his orbit. And though a much easier target, they get away with stroking his balls in public while the doddery old fool falls asleep again. I have no interest in soccer (absolutely zero, even if Ireland are playing) but I find it shocking that the whole soccer world has accepted Infantino speaking on their behalf, sucking the shrivelled mushroom in their name and done … … … nothing. But hey, vaccines, Baby!