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2026 F1 General Discussion Thread

  • 11-12-2025 12:44PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭


    New season, new regs, new champion, new thread! Thanks @flazio for the prompt!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭Tech_Head


    8fe0316f-d0f6-4f3d-82d0-f58f2d6cc8f6.jpeg

    Adios 2025 season.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I'm really looking forward to the scrabble for the edge - any thoughts on any team getting a tech/loophole jump on the others?. Can Newey do it again or new currently unknown talents out there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I don't think it'll be Red Bull anyway - from reports throughout the latter part of the season they were still developing after other teams had stopped.

    As far as I know the likes of Sauber, Alpine and Williams stopped development very early in the season so they could be in with a shout - if Audi get their engine spot on maybe they'll be in with a shout?

    Without a shred of evidence though, it does feel like it'll be Mercedes to the fore next season.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I'm curious to see how Audi/Sauber settle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Some super high-level expectations for next year before we've seen a car:

    1. McLaren: Won't repeat. New regs, more focus on engines. They'll still be strong, but will slip back. I am biased towards Piastri, so all I'll say is I hope he pushes on now and gets the better of Norris.
    2. Mercedes: I suspect will be back on top. George Russell has this season to prove himself - if Mercedes is best car by a distance there's a decent chance Verstappen will want in, so Russell will need to make this team his own.
    3. Red Bull: I don't see them competing. New engine regs, their first attempt at one. No Newey. If they are clever they'll not concentrate on the one car or the short term gains, but could likely be Verstappen's last season there if the team struggles.
    4. Ferrari: Who knows. Could be amazing, could be terrible. If terrible, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Hamilton walks mid-season, Bearman has shown enough in Haas that he is ready to take over. If they are excellent, I still see Leclerc beating Hamilton.
    5. Williams: They were best of the rest this year, and apparently stopped development very early, so they need to perform. Alex Albon needs to be worried by the form of Sainz towards the end of the 2025 season, if that continues into 2026 he risks becoming a clear number 2 (hope not, he's great).
    6. VCARB: Who knows how Lindblad will do. They are also hamstrung by the new Red Bull engine, so if it's bad they could easily slip back to 9th or 10th. I don't see Lawson doing anything too extreme, he won't be terrible, he won't be excellent. With the new leadership at Red Bull now, you'd think that unless Lindblad is ridiculously poor he'll stay in the car for the season.
    7. Aston Martin: The big unknown. Daddy Stroll's money has built a formidable team up, but they only have 1 driver and he's 44. In one sense, I'd love to see Team Silverstone make the leap up to title contenders, and would love to see Alonso get win #33. But Stroll isn't the most appealing of owners, I'm not a fan of Newey personally (I read his book, he comes across as an awful character in my mind) and they persist in giving Lance a drive. Honda should be powerful for them though.
    8. Haas: Who knows? Bearman has been excellent, Ocon was good at start of season and they have shown progress in recent years. I'd like to see them make a push up the ladder, but no idea if they'll be able to.
    9. Audi: Great final season as Sauber. Risky because first engine, and the drivers are solid but not amazing. I think they'd be disappointed if they don't compete for podiums though.
    10. Alpine: New engine will help. One great driver in Pierre Gasly. I think Colapinto is a waste of a seat though. Sad to see Renault exit, but the Mercedes engine plus a full year of development should drag them back up the standings again.
    11. Cadillac: They'll surely be last, right? Be nice to see Bottas back, and Checo too I guess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,324 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    It will be good to see the Ford name back in F1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    They werent allowed take part in the testing the other day of the new tyres,rims and front wings that the other teams stuck on their mule cars which will only make things harder for them you'd imagine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Sauber were testing. Are you thinking of Cadillac? I guess the issue is this is an end of season test, not a start of season test…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Cadillac hired Jason Somerville who was head of aerodynamics at the FIA, he did take a 6 month break before joining Cadillac. So I'd assume he has a lot of information about the new regs which could be a massive bonus



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,556 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    McLaren should still be favourites going into 2026 no? They will still be using Merc engines, so unless Merc nail the aero side of things I wouldn't be putting them top of the list - they were trounced by their customer team in 2025.

    Looks like Max might use no. 3 for 2026 if he gets permission, Danny Ric's old number. Also, starting this thread so early is just torture considering the wait we have! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Sure there's private testing in January… And then the launches. And then public testing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    Havent a clue who the team to beat will be but I think Alonso and AM will have a good season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Alonso Keeps defying gravity by performing at a high level into his 40s. But age will match up to him at some point. No telling when. I had written him off as too old when he made his F1 comeback so he's made a fool of me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I would love to see Alonso finally getting a competitive car, but following his career, it's likely that the AM will become great the year after he retires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,815 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I dont think Alonso believes in retirement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Theres definitely a higher pitch rasp to them, the current ones sound muffled and flat.

    If you took the current engine and sped the sound up by 3x, thats probably how I would describe it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    It's not great though, is it? Screaming v10s are what I still hear in my head when I think f1, even though they're long gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Has a bit of an 80's feel to it, nice crackles on the downshifts.

    I did hope it would be louder…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Marko having a serious cut off Horner in his latest interview



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Those teams don't have the resources to develop on two fronts. They've had to drop work on the 2025 car to concentrate on 2026. Confirmed by Vowles for Williams and it would clearly be the same for the other small teams. Red Bull are able to do both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    It's not a question of available resources, it's a question of the cost cap and atr regulations. Teams can't spend as much as they want on development as they'll just hit the cost cap. I believe all teams spend the full cost cap amount available to them now, so if red bull were spending time and money later into season on 2025 car they won't easily be able to make that up for 2026...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But Red Bull probably have a significantly higher number of staff so can spread resources more easily then a smaller midfield team. And as the season goes on they can shuffle staff from 2025 to 2026 as the need arises.

    Whereas say Williams or Haas for example won't have the human resources to work both so will abandon 2025 much earlier altogether



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Maybe it's changed in the last yearsl or 2, but from what I've heard, until recently, only the big 4 were at the cost cap (Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and Mclaren).

    The cost cap in it's originally proposed form would have the whole grid near the cost cap from the beginning, but they it was amended so it allowed the big 4 to outspend the rest. Maybe they have all caught up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I believe all teams are at cost cap, but the bigger teams can obviously exploit it more by paying an awful lot more for drivers or senior staff (top 7 salaries are not included I think?).

    The testing regulations too mean the teams who finish higher get less wind tunnel time and computer flow runs.

    I'm not saying that means the likes of Williams or Haas will be ahead of red bull, obviously not. But they should be in a position to close gap more than in previous years if their initial designs work well...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Not for 2026, but Portimao is going to be back on the calendar for 2027 and 2028, replacing Zandvoort...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭pjdarcy


    With 50% of the power coming from the battery in 2026 (as far as I'm aware), the efficiency of the power train will become crucial. F1 teams that also have a team competing in Formula e (e.g. McLaren) might have an advantage on this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    With more power coming from the battery, will they carry significantly less fuel? Presumably the battery power train will make up for it, but there will surely be scope for more efficient battery packs to reduce weight. That could give an advantage over the next few years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭pjdarcy


    Yeah, I assume they'll be burning less fuel so they won't need to carry as much. I haven't seen anything about fuel weight in the new regs (i.e. videos about the new regs on youtube) so I guess that'll be up to each team as long as they meet the overall weight requirements.



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