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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy07yk63x80t

    Could trump turning into a pirate have some benefits? Do Venezuelan tankers support Russia in any means? Are they part of the shadow fleet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Infini


    In all honesty Vatnik Russia lacks the capability to launch an invasion against Ireland, it's simply not possible given their crippled logistics and the fact Ukraine is basically kicking the ever loving shít out of them despite their losses. We're not in the Baltic but on the other side of Europe and are just too far for them to launch anything like that. Additionally Russia was primarily a land threat, their navy was never as good and it's a shadow of it's Soviet Heydey. Hell Ukraine beat their Black Sea fleet without a navy of their own.

    Even if they tried the UK wouldn't let it happen they'd sink any invasion fleet anywhere near these islands as it would be a threat to them as well not to mention other EU nations would intervene. The threat Russia poses to us would be asymmetrical warfare, cyberattacks, drones, damaging undersea cabling and supplies, riling up the ignorant and making use of useful idiots and gobshítes who still think Russia is the USSR and completely ignoring the fact that Vatnik Russia is essentially the Nazi Germany of today, only stupider, more incompetent and corrupt.

    In all honesty we do need to take our defence much more seriously, we need to have an Air Force and Navy that's at least effective enough and should not rule out NATO in future either or any sucessor organisation dedicated to European Defence should Agent Orange sabotage the US part of it, we're not immune to threats from other parts of the world and simply saying were neutral doesn't protect us from shít, time have changed and we need to change with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    That's an awful article.

    Even if the Russians were inclined, the logistics of trying to occupy Ireland would be utterly impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think when we procure vessels and aircraft we should also budget for the supply chains for it. We have farcical situations where this has not happened.

    Also I think we should reconsider buying from Switzerland given that where Russia is concerned, they were very unhelpful with Gepards and Gepard ammunition when Germany wanted it from them. We buy Mowag APCs from Switzerland. This has been damaging the Swiss arms export industry anyway.

    But Switzerland also has lessons for Ireland, as a heavily armed but neutral state. Neutrality does not mean being defenceless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    How are Russia going to conquer Europe if they can't conquer Ukraine? They'd have to take Ukraine first, then the Baltic's and finally launch against the main countries in central Europe like Poland Germany etc.

    Their rate of losses is too high against Ukraine to suggest anything more than the Baltic's is a possibility. They've blown through almost their entire Soviet stockpile including large portions of their allies stockpiles. It's just not realistic for a nation with 34 million military aged men.

    There's a great option to ease those concerns. Arm Ukraine to the teeth so Russia gains start nearing 0km² per month and their military machine crumbles on the spot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


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    Oh no how terrible /s

    No Russian oil facility is safe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    There's a far more useful, less messy secondary effect - which is probably the primary objective : if you're a shadow tanker owner or crew member, and you know there's a reasonable chance you and your crew are on a one-way trip to Novorossiya, and your insurance company is charging you dearly for the experience, it just doesn't make commercial sense to take on the contract.

    Putin needs to get that oil out of the country, because he has fewer and fewer safe places to store it. If he can't shift it or store it, he can't pull it out of the ground. And if the wells are shut down, it'll be a hell of a job to start them up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭somenergy


    The world was a safer place when Russia used to threaten nuclear weapons now the threat has a similar orange glow thanks to stupid American voters and nonvoters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Russia has been stuck at about occupying 20% of Ukraine for the last four years. The idea they are going to launch another war of aggression against another country is fanciful.

    By the time the war in Ukraine eventually ends, Russia will be in such a degraded state they won't be able to launch another war in Putin's lifetime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    That 20% of Ukraine they hold equates to roughly the same size area of Latvia & Lithuania combined. 2 relatively flat countries with virtually no natural obstacles to stop or slow down an advancing force apart from the new border shields they are currently installing, but once they are overcome, it's a clear run to the coast.

    You might not believe it, but the 3 Baltic States certainly are preparing for such an eventuality.

    Vilnius is in a rather precarious position (which is why it's been so easy for balloons to disrupt flight operations at Vilnius airport on an almost daily basis lately).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    More careless smoking in putin's terrorist state as chemical plant mysteriously catches fire?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    If Ukraine capitulate or are forced to, what direction could their armed forces be turned? Death or fight for their new imperial master would be the option presented to many. Moldova is still very much on the menu in that scenario. Not going to guess what might happen with Belarus and how Putin uses them once Ukraine is subjecated sufficiently.

    A Russian win will embolden China who might not be so discreet in their support if they see that Europe might become more destabilised and the US is certainly not going to prevent them. Russia will not pause for a breath unless Putin dies or they collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-hits-russian-oil-platform-in-the-caspian-a-first-ever-strike-on-moscows-offshore-energy-empire-14187

    Good news.

    I don't think it matters though.

    Putin's in this to the bitter end.

    Ireland should really be manufacturing drones for Ukraine.

    Lots of other countries doing it.

    Doesn't need to be a huge operation.

    Could locate a factory in a rural area for some employment.

    Maybe even hire Ukrainians to work there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Herself in the Aras would throw a wobbly if anybody suggested that, though. She'd be screeching about "warmongering' and be moaning that we're not acting as a 'voice for peace'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    My drone idea or the attack on the oil rig or both?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    You've got to assume that there's huge amount that goes on in the background that doesn't get reported on for the likes of Boardsies to discuss. And again, if the US is contributing nothing then why are all of the European leaders and VZ himself tying themselves in knots to appease the Orange Buffoon? I think it's clear that if Ukraine loses the US as a backer then that's a huge boost to the Russians and will make life much harder for the Ukrainians. There's just no point in dismissing US support as nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    She has no power anyway.

    Drones aren't necessarily killers anyway.

    They different functions. Like dropping supplies or reconnaissance.

    There's lots of rural areas suffering depopulation who'd be delighted with a new factory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'm not ignoring that at all. They're two completely separate issues.

    Edit: although that is a fair point regarding the efforts being simply to avoid Trump actually rowing in behind Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ireland should just give Ukraine money to do whatever they think best with. Ireland can say 'here's some money to rebuild power plants and infrastructure' to satisfy the stupids.

    There's a €26B surplus. Give them €2B - oh no, we 'only have €24B now, the horror, were doomed, how will we cope with still having the largest surplus in Europe.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Russian M-O for taking over a place appears to be mass murder and/or deportations out to Siberia. You might get turncoats, but the majoraty of the AFU would be marked for death in the case of Ukraine surrendering. This has been the case in the past, and thanks to the likes of Bucha we can see that this is still the case, with an extra bit of wide-spread murder of civilians.

    This is why surrender simply is not an option. The Russians through their actions have taken that option away, and so the AFU will likely fight to the last man or woman. The Russians simply can't match that level of resolve, which is part of why their fighters are a mere shadow of what the AFU put up against them.

    Belarus is essentially a "Republic" in the Russian Federation in all but name. They have a poorly defined "Union State" with the Russians, but in most metrics that matter the Belarussians are under Kremlin control. There is however a potential for Belarus to go the way of Ukraine and break away from Russia…but Luka would seriously need to lose control for that to happen.

    However I do not believe that Putin's death is what is needed to end this conflict. What is needed is to push Russia past the point of deminishing returns. Past a stage where they simply cannot replace anything they need to maintain an army. It's getting there; slowly but surely. I have said before that I can't guess when such a collapse would happen, since Russia will be the first example we'll see at this scale in the modern age, but I am certain that they are on their way to that point.

    China might help…a bit. But keep in mind that Beijing don't give a fiddlers who is in the Kremlin as long as they toe the line. The same applies to a situation where Russia are defeated and pushed back to the 1991 borders. China don't actually care…as long as their apple cart isn't impacted. They may try to prevent the collapse of the Kremlin regime, but only to the extent that it doesn't become a problem for them. This is pretty much Beijing's attitude to Pyongyang. They just about tolorate Kim's regime and help maintain the status quo, but only to prevent a torrent of refugees streaming North in the event of the state collapsing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Fair points. I'm a little more cynical of China. They'd rather deal with individual European states than the EU as a bloc. The US starting to come around to this way of thinking too as they see it as a more easily exploited entity that way. The "warmongers" in Europe are the only ones that really seem to be pushing for peace.

    The public version of President Donald Trump’s new National Security Strategy (NSS) was controversial enough. But the longer unpublished version has now been revealed and it threatens to blow the roof off international relations as they have existed since the end of the Cold War.

    The world order the US now wants to see is equally brutal and anti-democratic. Trump’s vision is to dump the G7 as a key forum for international diplomacy. The NSS proposes creating a new body of major powers, one that isn’t hemmed in by the G7’s requirements that the countries be both wealthy and democratically governed. In place of the G7, the unpublished NSS talks of a Core 5 composed of the US, China, Russia, India and Japan. Europe is not included.

    The C5 would meet regularly, as the G7 does, for summits with specific themes. First on the C5’s proposed agenda: Middle East security, specifically, normalising relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    Trump’s secret version of his national security strategy blows up the world as we know it | Counterfire

    Almost like another Russian wish-list that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Ironically, it wouldn't surprise if behind the scenes the Chinese make sure a peace doesn't happen,

    This war is a golden opportunity, Russia completely under their thumb .. and all their resources being offered at bargain prices .. expect new infrastructure to be slowly built , at a deal that suits china .

    And even better , Russia in no position to try play kingmaker( to it's own benefit ) if there's a china / US conflict ,

    Wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese angle for the return of parts of eastern Russia to the Chinese fold .. already they're exerting much more influence on the central Asian republics ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Finding it harder to laugh at satire like this -

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think your idea of developing and manufacturing drones here to help with European defense is a very good one and started a thread here almost three years back when there was another incident with drones active near Dublin airport:

    Was told then that there was no need for us to change anything and the air core had everything drone related under control and must admit I was a bit disappointed that there was such a lack of enthusiasm for Ireland taking a more serious approach to drones. Ukrainians seem to have the technology to help us start small scale production and a trade for technology know how from them for supply of drones that we could manufacture seems like a good starting point for bringing this industry of the future here. We could even stick to ones without explosives if that made the development more palatable to the public.

    Ukraine taking out putin's terrorist state funding by targeting its main income source which is very flammable is also a good idea in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    The problem with people like you is you don’t understand how Switzerland works. It’s one country where the government can’t just do as it sees fit without consulting first (Anglo Irish bailout anyone…) Swiss laws prohibits on selling of arms to countries at war. The Ukrainian war has exposed that rule needs reexamining and that is what is currently happening. Law changes in Switzerland take time as there is lots of consulting, 2 Houses of Parliament and then the people often have their say. Some Irish people love constantly giving out about other counties despite Ireland being complete bludgers when it comes to self defense. As far as I can tell irelands defence policy is unarmed neutrality (although not really strictly neutral because takes sides), rely on being an island on the outer periphery of Europe and hope the brits come to your aid in case of attack. But posters here keep telling people “Europe is not doing enough”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭interlocked


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    Another bad day at the office for the malignant horde. This includes a convoy in Pokrovsk  that was eliminated. Should be another landmark of 35,000 artillery pieces destroyed tomorrow.

    Will be over 1.2 million casualties by years end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Nearly 1500 Dead / Injured beyond fighting.

    I occurs to me again today that seeing totals like that had somehow become "normal". But this is a rate of death not really seen since WWII.

    For those of you who might still hold onto the idea that the slow creep across the Donbass is somehow a measure of "success" for the Russians, please keep that death total in your head. That's not just 1500 dead people. That's also 1500 pairs of boots, 1500 uniforms, 1500 weapons (and rounds), 1500 helmets (if they even had them). All gone…wasted…to push ahead into the bombed out ruin of a small Ukrainian town.

    And every day, with every battle, this total rises. The Kremlin scrape for any eligable male they can kidnap or hoodwink into service and empty out their country bit by bit, to send another 1500 to die….pointlessly…along with another chunk of their dwindleing Soviet WWIII supplies…never to be replaced.

    This is why it is essential to counter any notion that the Russians are somehow militarily capable. They have numbers, and they have guns…but they haven't a f*cking clue what they are doing. This is why they will eventually lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    US House passes bill to bolster Europe’s defence, in apparent rebuke to Trump’s foreign policy strategy | US foreign policy | The Guardian

    The bill provides $8bn more defence spending that Trump requested. It bars a reduction in US troops levels in Europe below 76000 and the removal of certain equipment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Surprisingly, you can actually get good news from Orcistan:

    Russian desertion is exploding. The Times reports internal Russian documents showing 70,000 soldiers will desert in 2025 - six times more than in Jan 2024.



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