Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Of course it's not about me. It was you who chose to get personal with the ad hominem attack - usually a sign of someone who doesn't want discussion.

If you care to read back, you'll see my first contribution in this phase of the thread was to ask @Manic Moran why he picked vaccines out of all the reasons to disagree with Trump. Others picked up my response to Manic, and I answered them. If you've read the MAHA EO then you'll see my point about US healthcare metrics being inferior to those in Europe is very much on topic.

Are you talking about Hep B rather than HPV? If you're going to brand me an anti- vaxxer (as previously mentioned I'm only anti lies) at least get your vaccines right.

But anecdotage is no use here. "All the people aero2k knows" is not a population from which we can meaningfully draw any useful conclusions about the utility or otherwise of this vacccine. We're looking for much larger-scale data than this.

And the standard we're looking for is not "no vaccinated people getting Covid". Just as we don't have perfect knowledge, we also don't need perfect efficacy. The vaccine has utility if the proportion of vaccinated people who get Covid in the period after vaccination is materially lower than the proportion of unvaccinated people who get Covid in a similar period, and/or if vaccinated people have experience of Covid which is materially less severe than the experience of unvaccinated people (i.e. if they tend to have shorter illness, quicker recovery, less pronounced symptoms, a lower rate of development of long covid, etc.)

The stupid thing is of course that people having contrary opinions about Trump on their social media affects no one and is not any particular danger to the country. It only offends Trump's pride. Tourism is going down the tubes because he cannot cope with criticism.

Trump's insane racist rants about the EU and European leaders are beyond the pale.

In particular, his comments about London Mayor Kahn were unbelievable:

Using highly incendiary language, Trump singled out London’s left-wing mayor, Sadiq Khan, the son of Pakistani immigrants and the city’s first Muslim mayor, as a “disaster” and blamed his election on immigration: “He gets elected because so many people have come in. They vote for him now.”

He also said 'they have a mayor called Kahn', and 'he is a horrible, vicious, disgusting Mayor.'

Yet at the same time, he was actually fawning over 'Mamdani', and 'Patel' is head of the FBI.

Politico interview here where Trump speaks about Europe from about 9:30.

Glad to see Starmer pushed back in PMQs to say American interference in European politics is unacceptable, but the US has quickly become an adversary (or even an enemy) of Europe and the EU. He has also said clearly that 'the EU was formed to screw US', despite the US being a proponent of the EUs formation post WWII.

Trump's naked support for Russia, and attacks against Europe, the EU, and NATO are completely unacceptable. We need stronger push back against the US, and against e.g. Hungary in the EU, and against Israel. We need to be stronger as a bloc politically, and we need to be self reliant militarily and therefore in our military industrial capacity.

European leaders (and Rutte in particular in NATO) also need to stop kissing the ass of this sonofabitch, and fawning over him. We need to tell him we don't appreciate his foreign policy strategy, his interference, and his support for Russia and Israel, his economic wars and tariff nonsense, in addition to his disregard/ hostility/ attacks on the UN, ICC, ICJ, the ECHR etc., war crimes, and blatant corruption.