Orange is the new Burke

That logic could work. that logic could fail. The problem is that we don't know exactly what the rules are in Mammy Burkes head. Enoch says that he's turning up for a job that he still has. Even though he's been suspended. Once he loses the job, would he still turn up despite the fact that he's been fired.

And as I mentioned, it's all down to what mammy thinks. because even though I keep saying "Enoch" we know it's mammy pulling the strings.

The kids are by all accounts very intelligent. But the family is a cult and mammy is their leader. Cult leaders hold enormous sway over their followers. And although I'm far from an expert, the one thing i do know about cults is that no-one is immune, no matter what their intelligence.

As for the ones that aren't as performative. I don't think it's because they push back and say "No", I think it's just because Mammy hasn't had a use for them yet. Or maybe mammy knows her limits and so only pushes the ones she knows that will most likely follow her directions. But that would mean that Enoch, Ammi and Simeon are the ones she has the most control over and therefore would still do whatever she says.

Enoch has already spent hundreds of days in prison. He's pretty devoted to the cult.

Good summary here : https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AiKQXpWm1/

I do like how the judge is kinda giving EB a another walk free out of jail card and indirectly moving the work appeals forward. To date EB was contesting the make up of the appeals and delaying the process. Now it's like, let the appeals decide on the outcome. Like if he gets his job back or if it's misconduct for a sacking and the judge will let him walk free after being sacked because he will presume that EB doesn't have any need to be turning up at the school after a sacking. It's very clever. It's a way of really forcing EB to back down while also something to save face.

I am following a solicitor on tiktok and apparantly the appeal is to take place this Saturday the 13th of December. Apparantly. Will EB have a day release from prison for that?

I don't want to spoil this thread's love for Brian Cregan, but a judge describing someone's behaviour as stalking pupils when they aren't is eyebrow-raising. The judge rowed back, saying he meant it figuratively, but he probably should stick to the facts and cool it with the poetic licence.

Also, "verbal aggression?" "Lack of self-control." My understanding is EB has only ever spoken to people (and maybe hurt some principal and judges' feelings), never threatened or assaulted them.

"Unregulated anger"- is he a psychiatrist along with the law degree.

And speculating about EB having stuff to hide. This guy is a judge, not a tabloid newspaper.

EB may well have met his match in Cregan but the loose language might see Cregan open to an accusation of bias.

Verbal aggression? He was so much in the principals face he was spitting on her! Had to be separated by a parent! Then kept following her as she tried to get to her car. You think that's all OK!?

The entire family are frequently verbally aggressive, it's literally a signature approach of theirs. Haranguing everyone from the security guard to teachers to doing so in the court.

It's a civil case so the judge is free to cast any aspertions he likes, he's not swaying a jury or erring on a point of law.

I do agree though I don't see how the Burkes are in this just for the money, they don't display any extravagance. Unless they own most of Mayo and are paying players to lose all Irelands for not respecting the dead.

He didn't say stalking pupils, he said the school. And stalking has lots of meanings, one of which is to deliberately and repetitively turn up in a particular area.

A good listen …
https://youtu.be/rYUqkt2aCQE?si=fEDWf0YjQZj_IbZA