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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    The Irish Mirror article is exaggerating things. It's hardly likely considering the lack of competence they've showed so far that the Ruzzians have the capability to transport 30 000 fresh troops accompanied by landing craft, air surveillance and naval vessels to the west of Ireland under the noses of Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    In occupied Mariupol, Russian authorities have put up a giant 14-meter New Year’s tree right next to the Drama Theater — the very place where hundreds of civilians, including children, were killed when Russian forces bombed the shelter in March 2022 -- as EuroMaidanPress reports.

    That strike took at least 300 lives, as journalist Mstyslav Chernov, whose 20 Days in Mariupol won an Oscar, estimates 70,00080,000 people may have died during the city’s destruction.

    Now, the site of one of Europe’s worst civilian massacres of the 21st century is being repackaged as a holiday attraction. Screens for Putin’s New Year address will stand where families died — part of a familiar pattern: erase evidence, overwrite memory, replace tragedy with spectacle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    While I largely agree, they also have an 'opposition' screaming blue murder at the slightest hint of diluting our 'cherished neutrality'. I suspect that if anything had happened Zelenskyy's plane, we'd have had the likes of PBP telling us his visit was a breach of our neutrality anyway.

    Presumably the SF policy is to let the Brits continue 'looking after us', as it were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Wasn't trying to be funny. Your post that I was replying to was:

    "My hunch is that the US have told them that if they start causing havoc on the high seas, sinking tankers, that's the end of US support."

    So we're not discussing historical US support which I completely agree was essential for Ukraine in the beginning. We're discussing the support that the US is currently giving Ukraine.

    I think they've approved $400m in military aid for all of 2026?

    https://global.espreso.tv/aid-us-house-approves-2026-defense-bill-with-400m-for-ukraine

    People surmise about the intel that the US is passing to Ukraine but is there any evidence of that since Trump came to power? If it's only the $400m in question, then I think it makes financial sense to risk that and cause a much bigger dent in Russia's oil revenues by targeting the shadow fleet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    You are ignoring the fact that aid from the USA for Ukraine has dropped off a cliff since the Trump administration took over in the white house. Weapons going to Ukraine from the USA are now paid for by other NATO members and Trump has been very vocal about not paying for Ukraine being able to defend itself in spite of the legal obligation his country undertook when Ukraine gave up its soviet nuclear weapons.

    The proposed military aid package for Ukraine from the USA next year is worth 400million dollars or less than 1% of what had been given over previous years. The politeness to Trump internationally in my opinion is simply designed to make it more difficult for him to come out completely in support of putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    People surmise about the intel that the US is passing to Ukraine but is there any evidence of that since Trump came to power?

    Yes, that time he stopped the intel sharing with Ukraine for a few days which allowed Russia to recapture the vast majority of Kursk that Ukraine had invaded & held. Also that intel is what's giving Ukraine such great success in targeting Russian refineries… (they know how & where to route the drones to avoid Russian air defences, they know which refineries have and have not air defences etc..)

    I suspect whatever intel they are still providing, they are probably obliged to do under some previous long standing agreement (Budapest?), and that's where that $400m is being spent…

    $400m per year is $33M per month, and for context, PURL (Europe) is spending about $1B per month on U.S. weapons for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Congress putting pressure on WH, asking why the administration hasnt supported Lindsey Graham's sanctions bill. Mixed signals. On the other hand there is some sanctions enforcement, including a $1 million settlement with a lawyer handling a trust tied to a sanctioned Russian oligarch.

    First, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent held on a call with Ukrainian PM Yulia Svyrydenko — and both sides immediately blasted out matching posts online. The vibe? “We’re moving fast.”

    Bessent highlighted the administration’s newest hits on Russia’s energy giants — targeting Lukoil and Rosneft — and framed the whole push as proof of “bold leadership of Donald Trump,” — a clear hint for Donald Trump. Svyrydenko welcomed the moves which is „already squeezing the revenue streams fueling the Kremlin’s war machine“.

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    New poll shows both Democrats and Republicans support more aid to Ukraine, and want Ukraine to win. 70% of Americans dont trust Russia to honour a peace agreement, including 77% of Democrats and 61% of Republicans.

    Does Trump care?

    Nearly half of all respondents (45%) favored the United States backing Ukraine’s full territorial sovereignty until all of the country’s Russian-occupied areas were liberated. This was the top preference of the two major parties in the US.  

    More than half of Democrats (58%) and one-third of Republicans (36%) said that they wanted to back Ukraine until all of its territories were liberated. Only 16% of Democrats and 31% of Republicans supported Ukraine giving up territory to achieve a ceasefire. 

    Another 18% of Democrats and 27% of Republicans were on board with supporting a temporary ceasefire along the current frontlines without Ukraine needing to recognize Russian control of the territories Moscow occupies inside of Ukrainian territory. 

    Americans, on the whole, want the United States to be involved in the peace process, and when it comes to ensuring that peace, they’re willing to back Kyiv for the long haul. 

    The latest survey findings revealed that 70% of Americans don’t trust Russia to honor any peace agreement Moscow makes with Ukraine, this included 61% of Republicans and 77% of Democrats. However, that wasn’t the most interesting finding.   

    There was also broad support (75%) for selling weapons to Ukraine and for providing a collective defense commitment to Ukraine, like NATO’s Article 5 guarantee (69%). Even more Americans (79%) supported an international force with European ground troops and American air support to police a demilitarized zone after peace is made. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Russia has failed to stop the insurgencies in occupied Ukraine and even within Russia itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    On a separate note:

    Another Russian tanker has had an accident this afternoon

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Regarding our unarmed neutrality, we’re like hobbits in the Shire, hoping that we can just ignore what’s happening out there in the world and thereby avoid involvement. Such a policy has in turn looked quaint, comical, ridiculous and shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The real reason Ireland is neutral is because it's cheap, not because of an illusory moral high ground. Letting the UK pay for radars and Eurofighters and personnel and maintenance is a bargain, meaning the bleeding heart socialists have billions more to spend on social welfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The reality is that we do not know whether it's US or EU/Japanese/UK intel being predominantly used to target refineries. Personally I believe it isn't US intel as I don't believe that was ever restored after the Kursk cessation you mention. We know that after that US betrayal many other countries in Europe, and Japan, offered and provided substantial use of their intel resources. I don't think Ukraine would go back to relying on the US intel, even if it was offered, given the serious back stabbing and hostility the US has been showing Ukraine.

    I know I would have focused my efforts on developing and leveraging the new reliable sources rather go back to the back-stabbers, were I in Ukraine's position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    If we spent every euro on defense who would we be in a position to take on in war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭Polar101


    But everyone likes the Irish, so Ireland is special and doesn't need a credible defense.

    (/s)

    Hopefully things like the recent drone incident will serve as a wake-up call that there are other threats than a somewhat fantastical full-scale Russian amphibious landing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yep. We are stupidly reliant on foreign help. It's a sad joke.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Hodger


    When Wallace and Daly failed to get re-elected last year it was honestly such a relief. I think their various comments on Russia over the years speak for themselves at this stage.

    You are 100% correct when you say "they have no idea what Russia represents."

    The cognitive dissonance is staggering. We often see Pride flags alongside Palestinian flags, and people who are well-known activists criticizing Israel and calling for strict boycotts and divestment. But a huge number of these well-known activists never seem to speak about Russia in the same way they speak about Israel.

    As you said, they have no idea what they are actually supporting.

    Russia has draconian laws effectively banning being gay in public, but it goes much deeper than legislation. It is well documented that there are vigilante groups there that hunt down gay people; they often pose on dating sites to lure a person out to a public place, then attack them while filming and streaming the assault online. None of these vigilante groups ever face any kind of punishment from the state.

    [Link to article/source here]

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/12/15/license-harm/violence-and-harassment-against-lgbt-people-and-activists-russia

    For any well-known Pride or LGBT activists who think that Russia is somehow an ally you need to wake up and do your own research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,192 ✭✭✭eire4


    For me joining or not joining NATO isn't even the issue. We are not neutral other then not being part of a military alliance. We are very firmly part of the open and free and democratic societal world. That world is under very real and very existential threat from many sources one of whom is the Russian dictatorship. It is clear right now we are acting as spongers in refusing to develop a fit for purpose defense and intelligence capability and expecting others to pay for and do it for us. That needs to change and fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    we just elected an anti- military president by a large majority. I hear people mainly older people talk all the time about never removing the triple lock. That’s where we are at right now. I can’t see attitudes changing here anytime soon. Maybe if the likes of Poland or the baltics are attacked but by that stage Russian/big tech disinformation will probably have people openly welcoming such developments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ukraine is very good at enforcing sanctions

    Edit: apologies, already posted earlier.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,192 ✭✭✭eire4


    To be fair when it comes to Connelly being elected president that doesn't mean a majority of the Irish population is against removing the triple lock and or actually developing a capable defense and intelligence capability. I know I certainly am in favour of doing both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭combat14


    well something has to give surely we cant have a luxurious unfinished 2 billion euro hospital, fancy 150 million euro hotels for ipas etc and a functioning defense budget or can we ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The budget surplus was €26B last I looked. The largest in Europe, so yes we can, with ease and plenty to spare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    How many of those get through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Michael Collins changed the rules of war. The Viet Cong also did later. Its not how big you are, though that's important.

    Guerilla war cam humble the biggest armies. The Afghans have humbled both the USSR and the US.

    We have some major advantages. One is distance, which would stretch supply lines if Russia invaded. The UK, French, German etc navies, if on our side, could help intercept supplies.

    History should be a compulsory subject because many forget the lessons of history. We would simply not have a state if our ancestors had been defeatist .

    How did any small country become independent if they thought it was impossible?

    But we do need to build up a navy to frustrate a landing too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    We can't get people to fill the vacancies in the defence forces,go away with the nonsense and back to your video games.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Infini


    It's actually a strategically sound approach too, crippling empty oil tankers means the enviromental fallout is limited and it prevents those ships from reaching Russia to export oil to begin with. Additionally if enough are crippled or sunk the Vatniks wont be able to bring them into the Black Sea at all at the risk of Kinetic Santions from Sea Babies.



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