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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Look up Connolly's repeated requests for proper funding for our 'defence forces'.

    If we were in 'NATO' we would have the same issues as France, Poland etc have.

    Too early for me to comment on the 'reports' published today. Have to read them first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Connolly reminds me of a granny next door: after saying we do not need an army

    she does a u turn and says they need extra pay. note extra pay, not better equipment. Laughable. Zelensky got away with his life this time he visited Ireland. No wonder the body language between him and Connolly was not the best when they met.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    In the exact same Dáil speech were she made the the comment about not needing an 'army' she called for proper funding for the Defence Forces and outlined her respect for what they do. The same speech…not a u-turn after.

    One more reason why the smears around this didn't work…the electorate are not fools, they could see she was making a distinction. No surprise you are quoting those who indulged in smearing the bejaysus out of her.

    You'll probably now demean the electorate just as you demean the defence forces when the lack of proper equipment is not their fault. It's the fault of those having hissy fits about others views on our defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Is it, or is it not, a fact that Connolly said in the Dail, "Ireland will never be able to have an army. We do not need an army"

    Seems as she is very confused.

    Good job there are records kept in the Dail, because speaking during a Dáil debate on the Defence Act in May 2024, Ms Connolly said: ‘We do not need an army. We are an independent, neutral, sovereign country. Our strength lies in our independent voice.’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Indeed, and those seeking to smear and sensationalise should have realised that there was a 'record' of what she actually said and the distinction she was making.
    Because the electorate were well able to read what she said and realise it was all a hissy fit designed to smear her as a Putinbot etc.

    Failed miserably and spectacularly. Here is the part of the speech the sensationalists thought was a gotcha.

    I will finish by making a few general points on what our Defence Forces are 100 years on. The clue is in the title. They are defence forces. I am very proud of them and we have a barracks in Galway. I am very proud, as is every Member of the Dáil, of our Defence Forces. We all stand fully behind their most basic demands in terms of money and conditions. What is happening under the Government's watch, and I do not wish to personalise this, is truly shocking. This is not an army. Ireland will never be able to have an army. We do not need an army.

    We are an independent, neutral, sovereign country. Our strength lies in our independent voice. Our strength lies in making the UN institutions function better. It is utterly misleading to say changes to the triple lock are necessary and we need to tinker with them. It is dangerous, disingenuous and unacceptable.

    The Minister of State's party will be in serious trouble if it persists in going down the road of changing the triple lock.

    We need transformative action. The one phrase the Tánaiste has used repeatedly is "transformative action". We also need transformative action to stop wars. We cannot be cheerleaders for wars. There is nothing to be gained by joining up with the military-industrial complex that Europe is in the middle of, with a European Defence Fund, a European Defence Agency and Partnership for Peace, which is a travesty of the English language because it is a partnership for war.

    Our voices should be used over and over to stop the war in Ukraine and to stop what Israel is doing and the genocide going on. I would like to hear our voices used for this and not sidelined into tinkering with the triple lock, which is simply unacceptable.

    It is an insult to the Defence Forces which have served us well. If anything captured this lately, it was the announcement of the withdrawal of our peacekeeping forces from Lebanon, or the Golan Heights, to have them ready for a battlefield. They cannot participate in it but they have to be ready for the day they need to go into battle at the helm of von der Leyen and Borrell who have talked about Europe as a garden and everything else outside of it as a jungle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So Connolly did say "Ireland will never be able to have an army. We do not need an army."

    No excuse for that. Of course we need an army. And yes, she has also insulted our EU partners and Von der Leyen, the European Commission's president.

    https://sinnfein.ie/news/no-confidence-in-ursula-von-der-leyen-meps-lynn-boylan-and-kathleen-funchion/

    If we do not need an army, who do you think should defend Ireland? The lads "who have not gone away, y'know"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We need Defence Forces but we do not need an 'Army' in the NATO sense, which was the distinction any person with sense could see she was making.


    What a miserable failure the attempt to take that phrase out of the context in which it was used was.
    How embarrassing for her detractors when she clearly praised the Defence Forces in the very same Dáil speech. 😁😁

    Don't take the electorate for mugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    An "army" is part of a countries defence forces.

    The Israeli army are part of the IDF : the Israeli Defence Forces, Nothing to do with Nato.

    Connolly said we do not need an army. She also said "We are an independent, neutral, sovereign country. Our strength lies in our independent voice."

    She forgets other neutral, relatively small countries like Switzerland have an army - and their army is an awful lot more capable than ours.

    An independent voice is not much use if you have someone like Russia prowling around. As other countries have found out. Would an independent voice have prevented those drones from hitting Zelensky's plane if it had not arrived early?

    Did Connolly talking out of both sides of her mouth, like a mug, prevent those 4 dromes from being in the air?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Keep it up.
    It failed miserably as a tactic once. It’s failing again.

    How did the voluminous spend on armies and arms by NATO countries get on in preventing drone incidents?

    Not very well it would seem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So far since NATO was established, the NATO counties have wone the Cold war and prevented any of the NATO countries being invaded by Russia. We have taken advantage of the defence of the west that NATO produced and paid for.

    You have not answered the question. Could Connolly's voice have prevented those drones from hitting Zelensky's plane if it had not arrived early? Seems as that is the only thing we had to defend ourselves and Zelensky with, as the lads in the navy looked up with open mouths?

    Would'nt be surprised to see a couple of head shots of Corks finest lads with their mouths open, (maybe one with a fag hanging out!) looking up at the drone, on the front page of Krasnaia zvezda,  (Красная звезда, Red Star), the official paper of the Soviet and now Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Could see it now: According to a spokesperson on the front of Красная звезда, Red Star, the chippers in Ireland seem to know more about drones than the navy? Not surprising when the President thinks there should be no army, therefore no navy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How silly.

    It’s not up to Connolly to prevent drone incidents. That’s up to what her voice has consistently called for, a properly funded Defence Force.

    We haven’t been invaded in 800 years. We have been ‘not invaded’ long before NATO came along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Our neighbouringing island has protected our skies from Russian fighters (with their transponders turned off) for decades now, and protected us during the cold war and ww2, and long before that. However, we have been attacked before by enemy forces. Think of the German bombs that fell on the island. Think of the Sack of Baltimore. Over 100 people kidnapped to a life of slavery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Baltimore

    Think of why the Martello towers were built.

    Connolly did not want extra technology for the armed forces, or for them to be competant at their job: she herself said she wanted extra pay for them (from the fairy godmother of course).

    Not much use against drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Keep it up, you might convince yourself.

    BTW the UK request use of our airspace to protect themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The UK are quite capable of defending their own airspace without having to defend ours as well.

    Could have been quite embarassing for this country if Zelensky's flight had not been early and drones had hit his aircraft as it approached Dublin.

    Maybe Ukraine could buy us a radar, in exchange for all the help we gave their refugees?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Although "never officially confirmed",

    Enough said.
    A speculative article doesn't amount to a whole pile.

    The UK need access to our airspace to protect themselves, there simply isn't enough time to react if they enter UK airspace from the West. This is kindergarden stuff really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    During the cold war did West Germany overfly East Germany because if the Russians approached from the east, there simply would'nt have been enough time to react?

    Do not be silly. This is kindergarden stuff really. You are nearly as bad as Connolly saying we do not need an Army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁

    'During de war…'

    😁😁 We are not at war with anyone. Our last invaders were our nearest neighbour 800 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Ah, the auld 800 years thing. The bitterness is never far from the surface with you. You might as well say what Connolly said, we do not need an army at all.

    Sure those military drones seen 500 mtrs from our navy ship and which arrived slightly too late for Zelensky's plane as it approached Dublin airport were no harm at all, at all.

    However, if (A) they were Russian -as some other drones around Europe this year were - and (B) if they arrived on time and could have brought down Zelenskys plane, do you think the Russians would have done that?

    In other news, our own Health Service Executive (HSE) - even though nobody has attacked us for 800 years - is facing 473 data-protection lawsuits as a result of the 2021 cyberattack.

    Schhh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I do agree with Connolly, that's why I and a majority voted for her.

    Any fool could see the distinction she was making between the DF and an 'army' equipped to NATO levels.

    An absurdity for a small country which is neutral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    She just said "an army". She said we do not need an army. No mention of Nato levels.

    Do you think Switzerland has an army? If so, how good is it do you think?

    Anyway, you did not answer the question.

    However, if (A) they were Russian -as some other drones around Europe this year were - and (B) if they arrived on time and could have brought down Zelenskys plane, do you think the Russians would have done that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What kind of fool would think she wasn't making a distinction in a speech were she was fulsome in praise of the Defence Forces and called for it to be properly funded.

    The self awareness to know when your smear attempt has utterly failed would be a start in winning the highest office in the land.

    I have no idea what the Russians could or would do.

    What I do know is they have not invaded here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Do you think the HSE would agree with you the Russians have not attacked this country?

    Do you think the Russians have snooped around our underwater cables?

    Do you think Russia has been behind other drone activity in Europe?

    You have a lot to learn, do your research, come back tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Have any of them invaded in the last 3 or 400 years?

    Nope.

    A child could have attacked the HSE system btw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Russia is at war with the West. Beyond Ukraine, that takes a multitude of forms from hacking and misinformation campaigns right up to sabotage and assassination. Putin does not wish us well. We haven’t been affected much so far at all but only a very naive or willfully blind person would imagine our neutrality insulates us from aggression of this type in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NATO and Russia trying to wind one another up.

    Been going on since I was a cub in the 70's. Not going to change and I'm approaching my 70's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    of course it’s divisive. The name of our country is even divisive and republicans can’t even utter it.
    you would agree the Irish tricolour is also divisive on this island?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    The report confirms no British involvement in Dublin Monaghan bombs 👍

    The infiltration of the Ira reported was impressive. Great to see.

    14 people died as a result of stakeknife - almost all active Ira killers. He saved the life of numerous informants and British agents thereby saving hundreds of lives of innocent people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐓𝐄𝐌𝐄𝐍𝐓 𝐅𝐑𝐎𝐌 𝐋𝐄𝐓’𝐒 𝐓𝐀𝐋𝐊 𝐋𝐎𝐘𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐒𝐌

    For years we’ve listened to republican activists, commentators and “campaigners” push a story they were desperate for the world to believe. That loyalists were operating with some kind of state-issued immunity, that the security forces were running covert murder squads and that every atrocity committed by republicans could be excused by shouting the word collusion loud enough.

    Well, the Denton findings have landed and that entire narrative has fallen apart.

    Operation Denton makes it crystal clear:

    No groups were protected. No organised state-sponsored murder teams. No cosy deals with prolific offenders. That myth, carefully built and endlessly broadcast—is done.

    On the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, republicans have spent decades weaponising grief to point the finger at the British state and the loyalist community. Denton knocks that lie down too. There was no intelligence that could have stopped the attacks and no evidence whatsoever of collusion between the security forces and the UVF. None. The propaganda didn’t just wobble—it collapsed.

    And as for the so-called “Glenanne gang,” another favourite tool of republican storytelling, Denton states plainly that this neatly packaged, sinister “unit” never actually existed. It was a label invented long after the fact and repeated so often that people stopped questioning it. The reality? A far broader and more complex pattern of violence during a brutal period—not the Hollywood-style conspiracy republicans tried to sell.

    Now, we all know none of this will stop certain republican voices from clinging to the narrative they need. They rely on rewriting the past because they cannot face their own. But the rest of us are dealing in facts, not fantasy.

    Loyalist communities have taken more than enough blame for crimes we did not commit and conspiracies that never existed. Denton isn’t a victory lap for anyone—it’s simply the truth finally cutting through decades of noise.

    The truth is the truth, even when it’s inconvenient for others.



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