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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Seattle


    I do think we'll make at least 1 major signing in January, and possibly 2.

    Because we're so close to top 5, the club will want to capitalise on the fact we have no European football in the run in and have a big advantage over Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Liverpool, Spurs and Palace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Could Amorim not change things a little bit with the Wing Backs. Play Dalot as RWB and Amad as LWB so as they can cross on their natural foot. Surely worth a go against the lesser teams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭randd1


    Bruno is failing in his midfield role, because his talents aren't suited to that role. He's at his best going forward, in that 10 position, where he's clearly a threat, and a threat that causes the opposition to worry about us. They don't have to worry about Bruno in his current role, because he's somewhat neutered by it, and is more a benefit to the opposition by leaving that area of the field open.

    Maybe it's wrong to say Bruno is failing in his role, it's probably far more accurate to say the role is failing Bruno, and it is.

    Then the questions becomes why is Bruno's role going forward and leaving the midfield open? That's just tactical suicide. Not that I'm surprised by that, the performances and results suggest that tactical suicide is the norm at United under Amorim.

    But I think we can all agree that Bruno's talents, this formation is not only not getting the best out of Bruno, it's leaving the opposition with gaps to hurt us. That's a fair double-whammy to set your best player up for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,256 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I'm not saying panic buy for his system.

    I'm saying there are players and positions we need regardless of the specific system and we should be doing all we can to bring them in as soon as possible. Hopefully it helps Amorim and in turn helps us finish further up the league. If it doesn't, fine, the new manager will still need the players we signed - or they were the wrong signings regarldess.

    I've no interest in not backing Amorim - thats just bad club management imo. Either back him or sack him. But back him correctly, with considered and correct long term signings.

    If we don't make signings in January, we aren't going to do well in the league imo. We could sack Amorim tomorrow, bring in any manager you could think of and if we don't sign some players for them in January they will fail cause we are lacking quality and depth in the squad. Any manager coming in will still need to rely on Casemiro because we've no other option, unless you think Amorim is the reason Ugarte is doing poorly. If we moved to a 433 we'd only have Cunha as anything approaching an option on the left side. Does a different manager get Zirkzee firing so we don't need a backup striker?

    The squad needs players. Regardless of the manager. and not buying them just cause you are not sure of Amorim is just silly, and a massive indictment of Wilcox and Vivel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,256 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Its an issue with the centre backs, imo. Whether workable or not I don't know.

    Even at Sporting, one of the two CMs would be tasked with pushing forward in attack and becoming any option and runner around the box. The CBs stepped up into midfield. 6 attacking players, essentially) L10, R10, ST, CM, WB and then depending on the situation, a WCB, WB or or the other CM. You then have 4 players in rest defence - 316, like loads of teams play in attacking phases. Our defenders don't press up enough so that 3 ends up way too far back rather than one of them basically coming into to partner the rest defence midfielder.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Is it safe to say our best players have been Bruno, Mount and Mbuemo? Or swap 1 out for Casemiro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,526 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I would be similar enough in my view but I am conscious that the Everton game really skews things for me... If we had won that, we'd be sitting here in 4th place, with a (tiny) bit of daylight between the chasing pack and we would be on a 9 game unbeaten streak.

    Maybe it skews things too much, the comeback against Palace was a fantastic result given their home record yet all I'm thinking about is Everton.

    All that said and to your point, we were sitting in 9th at HT last night, the table is way too condensed to be claiming positioning as any kind of real barometer at the moment, especially with 2 huge months ahead.

    But 9 games unbeaten would have really been a huge foundation ahead of that period.... Fcuk that Everton game!

    (I'm completely leaving out West Ham, a draw was very poor as well but.... fcuk that Everton game)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,256 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I wold say Mbeumo, MDL and Bruno (offensively).

    Mount has missed too many games to be best player.

    but I also think Mount's performance yesterday is arguably the best performance we have seen from a United player this season. He was absolutely superb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Jesus yeh how could I have forgotten about MDL 🤦🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,555 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    His his long pass to Mbeumo that nearly set Cunha through was insane.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    If we don't sign a CM in January it will be hugely negligent by the club and i think it will torpedo any chance we have of getting top 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,256 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    His turn and switch to amad was superb too. Then amad ran into the defender. He'd a few moments like that, sharp turns under pressure with immediate release to the other side where the space now was.

    That's the mount I thought we bought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,555 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Also the talk of buying players for Amorims system is mostly nonsense imo. Like regardless of manager be it John Caulfield or Pep - Onana, Antony, Hojlund all needed changing hence Lammens, Mbeumo and Sesko arriving. Regardless of system or manager we need midfielders that doesn't change until we actually buy bloody midfielders.

    Not backing Amorim because you think a new manager might turn Ugarte into Casemiro, Mainoo into Bruno and Fletcher into his dad is lunacy. The signings needed are signings that improve the squad, that benefits any manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 909 ✭✭✭ngunners


    Casemiro, De Ligt and Shaw have all been very good this season. Consistent 7/10 performances most games. I'd value that over great one week and piss poor the next.

    Mount has been good but hasn't had as many minutes as others. Bruno has been inconsistent but is still by far our most important player (only player to have 10+ goals and assists in each of the last 7 PL seasons - he's insane). Mbeumo had a great start to the season but his performances have dropped over the last month or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,689 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    We need a CM in January. If Mainoo is not in the plans give him loan.

    Good to get 3 points but Wolves would be lower half of championship if honest.

    Bournemouth will be a tough test and need win that.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I just don’t understand how much flak Bruno takes from United fans, he recently overtook Paul Scholes for his number of assists for United even though Scholes (I think) had a twelve or fifteen year career in a United shirt while Bruno has been here for five.

    Apart from being our main creator or goal source, imo he has shown a passion for our club and a leadership that not too many others have shown.

    He obviously doesn’t always play well but he never hides, always shows for the ball, and is always first to front up after a defeat.

    I know he takes risks and gets criticised for attempting “Hollywood” passes or attempts on goal but he’s a high risk high reward player and it’s probably a consequence of having to force creativity in a struggling team.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion obviously and he’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea but some of the criticism (even during last night’s game) is sometimes bordering on hatred… I just don’t get it to be honest.

    Post edited by Charlie69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I just want to point out that comparing Bruno and Scholes on assists is a waste of time.

    Scholes was the playmaker. The pass before the assist often. Only in his younger days and a small enough period around 2002 was he further up the pitch.

    His best role was always further back. It's pointless comparing stats for them.

    You wouldn't compare Modric to Kaka in stats?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    I've been thinking this morning about the idea that you can't take anything from the current league table. I disagree strongly with that. We are 15 games in, not 5. This is what the league is.

    I wonder are we starting to see a correction in the league and away from teams getting 90+ points and the top 4/5 being distantly better than the rest. For example the 98/99 top 6 was

    1. Man Utd W22 D13 L3
    2. Arsenal W22 D12 L4
    3. Chelsea W20 D15 L3
    4. Leeds W18 D13 L7
    5. West Ham W16 D9 L13
    6. Aston Villa W15 D10 L13

    Aston Villa finished 6th last season with a record of W19 D9 L10. Thats a significant difference from 99. Now whether you want to say its because the top teams are no longer Elite or the rest of the league has caught up doesn't matter really. I think the reality is that for this season at least, Wolves excluded, that any team is capable of beating any other team.

    That's not me saying you can't complain about the inconsistency of the team or the midfield options or RA use of subs or any other issues. More just taking a wider look at the entire league and saying maybe it's not just us with these issues and we are more likely 1 of the 11 or 12 teams capable right now of finishing somewhere between 4th and 15th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,687 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    I would also throw an honourable mention for Lammens - not because he has been exceptional per se but because he joined last minute, no pre-season, and has fitted in seamlessly. No big mistakes, reliable, and a solid 7/10 which is excellent considering what he was thrown into imo

    Post edited by caviardreams on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Fair enough but point isn’t based on the comparison with Scholes at all, I just don’t understand how he comes in for so much criticism from his own fans, for me he’s clearly the heartbeat of the team and as someone said earlier, he loves this club as much as any of us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,386 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    I'm not sure of the concept that we don't buy a LWB because Amorim might be gone in the summer.

    The impression I got was that the club management aka INEOS were fans of the 3 at the back concept which is why they chased Tuchel, De Zerbi (plays 3 at the back with Marseille and then Amorim as the targets.

    If he does go, I'd still expect them to look for a similar style manager, with the difference being that even if they favour a 3421 etc, they'll have the flexibility and willingness to adapt in the shorter term.

    Unlike Ruben "no plan B" Amorim.

    Hence Glasner being the likely candidate I'd expect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I think a big factor is that teams are moving away from the mini-Barcelona style. Instead of trying to play some "idea" of football teams are going back to looking at what they have and deciding to to setup to take advantage of their own strengths.

    Sunderland are a good example. Previously we've seen promoted clubs come up with an "identity", trying to play with the ball on the ground like the did in the championship. They were lambs to the slaughter when they played the likes of City or anyone better than them (which is almost all of the PL)

    Then you'd have Pep coming out and praising the teams for how they played… Because them playing that way was an easy 3/4/5 goal win for his team.

    It always baffled me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,555 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Vincent Kompany leading Burnley to an incompetent slaughtering of a season then getting himself the Bayern gig after is fairly hilarious transformation and showed just how daft the tiki-taka obsession had gotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,689 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Scholes and Modric would be in league 2 standard if you were basing it off assists in PL

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    This is why stats do very little for me and I base my opinion on actually watching players play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,689 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Exactly

    15 league titles and 8 CL titles between them.

    They both played huge part in those.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,354 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Looking to what they have and playing to their strengths? Sounds interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 909 ✭✭✭ngunners


    Both were well onside: https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/13481148/goal-b-mbeumo-51-wolves-1-2-manchester-utd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Caustic


    You touched on it yourself Bruno plays a hug variance style of football nothing wrong with that per say a team needs risk takers but he has never really learned to dial it in, especially since moving into the middle, again not really his fault as he isn't a midfielder but it doesn't or shouldn't absolve him from any critisism.

    Bruno is or at least was prone to dropping absolute awful performances at times, something someone like scholes rarely would but for then he would pop up with a goal or an assist an it would be forgotten about, someone mentioned Keane's critisism last year and it was at a time when Bruno had a period of bad games but also no goals or assists the critisism was valid but then Bruno went on a run of delivering again and upped his performances and people say keano looked silly but the criticism was valid for what went on previous.

    And while united are lucky to have Bruno and his goals and assists, I think bruno has been lucky to have united too he has got to be a star player at a big club, pretty much the singular creative outlet since he joined without needing to be super consistent in terms of overall performances.

    He deserves all the praise for games last night but those games don't erase games like the final against Spurs were he couldn't make simple passes and many others throughout his united career.

    I think That's essentially it some people are just happy with his goals and assists and others tend to look at overall game and can lead to big differences on opinions.

    For me I get a bit frustrated at Bruno at times because if he could cut out the silly errors and the overly fancy **** he would elevate his game to another level a much more consistent one without losing much of his upside



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    I think he doesnt because of the over/under overlaps with Mbeumbo say with Amad where Amad can cut in and either release Mbeambo to the line or take a shot.

    Seen it with Dalot last night where Bruno played a beauty of a ball and Dalot really should of scored with his right foot.



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